A question for LEOs, a little long.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by 390beretta, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. CSI

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    I was in the traffic unit for 7 years....my JOB was to write tickets...

    We had a company, which had a landfill near the edge of town.....a few houses on both sides of the street. Needless to say, there were dump trucks running up and down that road 8-10 hrs a day, 6 days a week.

    We got numerous complaints of trucks speeding, so was tasked with sitting out there running radar.

    Turns out that MOST of the trucks were running 20-22 mph (speed limit was 30). The trucks that LOOKED like they were hauling azz? Those were the ones going the speed limit.

    School zones was another area where we got a lot of complaints. The biggest violators? School staff, and parents dropping their kids off...
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  2. pinocono

    pinocono Fucking Pirate

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    There's a local back road that over the years has seen more and more commuters use as the highways have gotten more congested. The locals complained to the county supervisors that these all of these outside commuters were driving well over the speed limit. The sheriff's department told the supervisors that the commuters weren't the problem, the huge majority of speeding tickets were written to the locals.

    I was pulled over in my pickup a couple months ago for speeding. There is about a quarter mile long section of 40 mph road with a 55 mph speed limit on either end of it. No rhyme or reason that I can see, there aren't anymore side streets than the higher speed limit sections, and in either case there's not many. It's a rural area at the edge of town. It looked like the LEO got a more important call, because all of a sudden he was shoving my paperwork back at me and telling me to have a good day and slow down. Okie-dokie, you betcha.
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  3. henshao

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    Thanks for the response. Safe journeys to you.
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  4. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    This is actually good to hear. Around here the standard is similar if not a bit more liberal, but I wonder about other jurisdictions when on long trips. Thanks for the response. Getting rolled as a cop is embarrassing.

    School zone speed complaints are HUGE here and my experience is similar to yours. Most people speeding are late teachers and stay at home soccer moms who are "just so busy!"
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  5. WYO George

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    Speaking as former LEO (left a month ago for a more relaxing job) my agency (rural Wyoming county) rarely gives tickets unless it's a repeat offense or safety thing. I've let folks off with verbal warnings for 20-30 mph over the limit. The way I see it is I slowed them down for a bit, made sure they have insurance, the vehicle isn't stolen, etc. and then gave them food for thought for a while. The money from the citation just goes to the state school board who wastes it on stupid stuff (..long, rambling soap box that I'll leave off...) so why should I care to collect money for them?
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  6. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    I just want to bounce off of your comment to clarify something.

    If some guy is a jerk to me on a stop he is more likely to get a ticket, but it's not because I don't like him or because he is disrespecting me. Believe me, I've probably been called worse names by better people.

    The reason he is more likely to get a ticket goes back to my theory on changing people's behavior. If he is being a dick to me over a simple traffic stop then the odds of just the stop itself altering his behavior is pretty low.
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  7. scfrank

    scfrank Old farts riding club.

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    Longmire? I love that show. I hope most sheriff offices aren't that busy.
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  8. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Another common theme that I hear a lot, but I am surprised to hear from former LEO.....revenue.

    I have 0 idea where the money from tickets go except I do know that a small portion (really small) comes back to my agency to pay for more equipment (lasers, radar, etc.)

    I have never had anyone encourage me to writing tickets for revenue....ever. Never even been mentioned. In fact, my department encourages traffic stops only. Whether you write a ticket or give a warning has no bearing whatsoever.

    I also have never heard this complaint from any other LEO I know that works for another agency, and if a cop I knew was being told to write tickets to generate revenue I would definitely hear about it. That sort of shit cuts to the heart of the integrity of any LEO and there would be complaints from LEO's. Big ones.
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  9. WYO George

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    I'm either missing your point or you missed mine, it's probably me! I'm just saying that revenue is not part of the equation and I only say it because so many people like to refer to LEO's as "revenue collectors". I only mention the receiver of the funds to point out that I would have 0 benefit from writing a citation.
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  10. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    No worries, it's probably me.

    I was just bouncing off your comment to also debunk the myth of the "revenue collector". Sorry I wasn't more clear.

    I guess the only reason I mentioned that I was surprised that you mentioned it is because this topic has never once been mentioned in my LEO circles. It only ever comes up with non-cops.

    Sorry for the confusion.

    EDIT: Just to clarify I see that we had the same goal. I just wasn't clear about that I was backing up what you were saying.
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  11. WYO George

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    No worries, I'm medicated now so my brain is working a little slow! I'll probably read my posts tomorrow and go "what the hell does that mean?"

    Stay safe
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  12. craigincali

    craigincali Just hanging around

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    He doesn't get a ticket because of the 1-5 items mentioned and because he is an older gentleman.
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  13. Oilhed

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    Retired LEO here. I always use the wasn't paying attention and sorry route. The side of the road is no time to argue your actual speed, why the speed limit is ridiculous or that the cops are out to get you. I think older guy not dressed like a squid or a pirate on a cool bike will get you a pass most of the time. Face it most adult men wish they were you in 20-30 years.


    Mark F.
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  14. PrkChps

    PrkChps Mirth Is King

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    Thanks for that. Like you, I rarely out myself, because of the high number of typical, keyboard commando answers.

    My response: The attitude of the operator is the number one determining factor in any decision to issue a citation or warning. The second factor is the nature and seriousness of the violation, as well as the presence of all necessary documentation and insurance. Just speeding? On an open highway? All safety gear and insurance in place? Good attitude? You will be on your way soon.

    In short, be nice and have your sh*t together, and you very possibly will get a warning. Always worked with me.
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  15. henshao

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    Please get in touch with some VA state policemen and see what you can find out. They are practically ticket writing robots, most other policemen I talk to don't even like them.
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  16. tkent02

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    +1, This has always worked for me, even better now that I'm older than all the cops.
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  17. kojack06

    kojack06 Been here awhile

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    Hope your local police department chooses to depolice your residence(but they won't because the majority of officers took an oath and really believe in doing what is right) . Call a liberal pot or crackhead next time you need help. Oh forgot, you can call the crackhead a "pig " also. Maybe that will get you even more assistance...

    Have a politically correct day..
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  18. CSI

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    Yup......

    Everybody I ever worked with in Traffic had their "violations" they liked to target. For some, I think it was for "ease" of work. Improper turns for example.....a former co-worker would find a large busy intersection, and spend the 1st two hours of her shift writing improper turn tickets (ie...turning from the right lane into the left lane, and vice versa)...I always thought that was chickenshit, as most of the time the improper turn didn't affect other traffic. I could see it in the case of a collision or near collision but otherwise? How about a verbal warning??

    I personally went after speed violations. As I worked the day shift, I was able to concentrate on school zones. 10 over in a school zone was a ticket....No excuses.....it was the ONLY violation for which I gave no breaks. Speeding in a residential neighborhood (especially after school on on weekends when kids were out) was another. 11 over was normally a ticket.

    Out in the rural areas of the city or on the highway? Unless it was something drastic (like more than 15 over other traffic speed) I would most often flash the headlights and wag my finger.....and even stopping folks at 15 over wasn't a guaranteed ticket. It all depended upon attitude, and if there were any other (more serious) violations present.
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  19. Yroc

    Yroc Been here awhile

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    This got me thinking of a ticket I got when I was in High School and just driving a truck. I was doing 35 or 36 in a residential area that was 25, it was a wide road with a turning lane in the middle. 25 always felt slow. About 5 years later they raised the limit to 35. Shouldn't I get a refund? :wink:
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  20. catweasel67

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    Question to the LEOs..

    Did you ever think, or do you, that your inconsistent approach to ticketing contributes to the negative impressions that a lot of folks have about your vocation?



    As for me, I've been stopped a few times in the UK and a few times in Europe but the last ticket I got was when I was following two South Dakota plated cars, in SD - matching their speed. I was aware that I was over the speed limit but it wasn't, imo, dangerously excessive - I was doing 78 in a 65.

    The copper showed me an LED speed readout and said that it represented my speed. There was no photo or proof of any sort that it was my vehicle. He then explained that I could return in about 3 weeks to appeal or pay cash on the spot. I chose cash - at which point he escorted me to a local ATM so I could get $125. TBH it felt a bit like I was being taken hostage - pay the ransom or ruin my vacation.

    This was back in 2010.
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