A question for LEOs, a little long.

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by 390beretta, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. NJ-Brett

    NJ-Brett Brett

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    If you get puled over around here and its under $250.00 you are a PBA member or some big shot.

    Just one example, out riding my 1969 Triumph I just got back together after a total restore, and a woman in an suv pulls out right in front of me.
    I go over the double yellow and pass so the dimwit knows she just pulled out in front of me.
    The unmarked suv that was behind me pulls me over and tells me, yes, they pulled out in front of you but you could have TRIED to stop.
    And with drum brakes, if i could not and hit the suv I would be charged with that and littering bike parts on the road?

    In court, I taked to the people running the show and got it down to a $300.00 no seat belt ticket (no points), no points means they get to keep all the money.
    Evesham NJ, small town, like most they have about 75 police.

    I am a nice guy, always help everyone, I am not a biker type, never have an attitude, and never got a break from the police since I was 14 and started riding bikes in the dirt.

    I have never had an accident, never hurt anyone, even myself, and they have made a LOT of money off me over the years.
    Fun tax, and I feel sorry for them, how would you like a job where you had to be a jerk all day long for money?
  2. DesertTortoise

    DesertTortoise Freedom Fighter

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    One thing the LEOs here have not mentioned is the short leash they are kept on. "Officer discretion" and "officer safety" are double edged swords. They have to justify everything they do, why they did it the way they did it, especially decisions made under stress and questioned by the Monday morning / arm chair crowd. They are subject to administrative action, criminal penalty, and civil lawsuits for pretty much everything they say or do, to a much greater extent than other professions. It's a difficult job and some officers have the maturity and interpersonal skills to do it better than others. Safety and liability factor in to the choices they make.

    There's my ramble. I'm a military police guy so some of my job is the same as civilian Leo, some different. We can't get sued, but we have much less protection against administrative action. As in, if you call in a complaint on an MP, the soldier and his next 3 or 4 supervisors go stand on the carpet for it. As you can imagine, that kind of thing rolls down hill.

    I think that the truly inconsistent thing is interpersonal communication skills. Some of the lesser appreciated LEO jobs like game warden (out gunned) or prison guard (out numbered) are pretty much sink or swim with IPC skills. If you don't have them, you won't last long. Traffic and patrol is a mixed bag. Some officers expect respect but don't give it in return.
  3. Lomax

    Lomax Nanu-Nanu Adventurer

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    I would like to know how he does not get tickets either. The last one I got (only one in 10 years) I was doing 42 in a 40. Yes I was speeding, but he wrote me up for 57 in a 40 and flat out said, take it to court, it is your word against mine and I will win. :huh

    An this was a motorcycle officer. :eek1

    And yes I am old and gray and wear full AGTATT.

    Marc
  4. Little Bike

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    I've been pulled over about 4 times over many years. I'm always respectful and don't argue (I got pulled over for a reason, duh), but I've only "gotten out of" a ticket once. Except for one, the officers have always been very nice and usually apologize for the ticket. The only time things got strange was my mom's fault, she started arguing with the officer! (I just sat there and hoped my car seat would sink through the floor or something). He told her he could justify changing the ticket from a parking violation to a moving violation. Wait a minute! Mom, stop! Besides, you're the one who said "just pull over quick in front of the building and I'll hop out....."

    My grandfather was a California highway patrolman. Most gentle man I've ever known. We were in downtown San Diego, got lost, wasn't watching carefully and I went across an intersection from a dedicated right hand turn lane. We were pulled over. Rats. I told him what happened, pled stupidity. Then my grandma piped up "I'm the widow of an ex highway patrolman!" What do you do when you have an admitted dumb tourist driving with her grandma pulling the "widow of an ex highway patrolman" card? Warning. :lol3
  5. djg

    djg Been here awhile

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    From Jeff Foxworthy. You may be a redneck if your Mom doesn't bother to take the Marlboro out of her mouth before telling the State Trooper to kiss her ass.
  6. henshao

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    I don't recommend too much fishing around for shit before the officer actually asks. He never knows if this is going to be one of those traffic stops where a lunatic shoots at him.
  7. catweasel67

    catweasel67 RD04

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    A uniquely US problem, thank god, but you make a good point.
  8. Jud

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    Did you take it to court? If not, people like you are the reason there are so many crap ass cops. If you refuse to stand and fight against something wrong, that will only embolden them and they get even more outta hand.

    Many years ago I had had a speeding ticket inflated, I fought it and lost. I also made a formal complaint, one complaint means nothing. If officer jackass continues doing so and everyone made a formal complaint, he would eventually get a record of complaints that would mean something.

    More recently, I had an officer lie as to the reason I was being pulled for a fishing trip. The lie infuriated me and I called the cops on the lying POS. He fabricated three tickets. I fought the tickets, I showed his superior a video proving the cop was a liar. With-in two weeks of seeing that video the lying cop {resigned for personal reasons}. I made a formal complaint and the department circled the lying POS for fear of a lawsuit and nearly 4 yrs later I have still not won my day in court, probably never will because the video was destroyed. But, that lying POS is no longer a cop for that department and I have not paid a dime in legal fees or fines for those bogus tickets.

    If you get busted actually breaking the law, admit it, be humble and take your medicine. If you play, you damned well better be willing to pay. On the other hand, if you get a BS ticket for a POS LEO,,,,,,,,,,, pitch a fukin fit. Nothing worse than a POS lying cop and those POS lying cops get that way because of citizens that don't have the balls to complain.
  9. pinocono

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    Do you feel some obsessive-complusive need to make a snarky remark about everything?
  10. 390beretta

    390beretta Long timer

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    What he said!
  11. KX50002

    KX50002 NooB, my ass

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    Looks like someone needs their sarcasm detector recalibrated.

    I was responding to the prior post about not lumping all "cops" together. I'm sure the vast majority of our nation's police are decent guys trying to do the right thing. I have nOticed a certain arrogance among the few officers I've met (outside of getting a ticket) ie... I'm not above the law I AM the law. One group I used to ride with had a few members who were police, they would routinely pass over the DY even when there was no way too see oncoming traffic. Think uphill right hand curves.

    sent from a device designed specifically to annoy scottrnelson YES I do know how to change it, just never bothered as I was too busy riding my motorcycle.
  12. dwoodward

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    The county I live in has a traffic team chartered to support themselves from the fines on tickets they write.

    http://www.co.marion.or.us/SO/EnforcementDivision/trafficenforcementEDIT.htm
    "In 2004, the team was restructured as a self-funding unit. This structure using funds from traffic citations versus your tax dollars. This system effectively uses funds from those contributing to traffic safety problems to enforce traffic laws and our traffic safety programs. "

    To get on that team- a highly coveted position in the county- you have to write lots of tickets; once you're there, it's expected you'll write more.

    To their credit- they write a lot of tickets other than "speeding" that I don't mind all that much- tailgating, cell phones, seatbelts, no insurance, no license (suspended / revoked), expired tags... Not uncommonly, several of the above for the same incident. But I still think it's a conflict of interest, and should be in violation of the state's laws regarding conflict of interest.
  13. Jud

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    I know alot of people bitch about using traffic enforcement as "revenue enhancement" but honestly, I like the idea as long as they are kept on a tight leash. Look at it this way, you have to have money to run police stations, no getting around that fact of life {I'm sure dumbass liberals don't think that but it's indeed a fact}. So, rather than force all tax payers to pay for that police presence, just "tax" the people that get busted. Think of it as a "sin tax". Wanna play in the twisties and get busted for speeding,,,, pay yer tax. :1drink

    That way, the truely guilty will pay for the enforcment costs of being irresponsable. And yea, I'm sure I would be giving my fair share of tax donations as I can honestly be more than a bit irresponsable at times. But, think if it this way, simply by being responsable, once can elect not to participate in any tax collections.:deal:lol3
  14. henshao

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    If the speed limit actually makes sense, then maybe...
  15. Jud

    Jud Long timer

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    Who cares, speed is relative. If the police ask for lets say,,,, a certain road to be a 65mph max and that road can be safe at 85mph,,,, let public pressure change that road as the public {through the DOT} is ultimately who sets the speed limits. If the public is too lazy to prevent the DOT and police from setting artificially low limits, well,,,,, ya get what you want in life. Sheep sometimes are juss more than happy being sheep.

    Besides, "It's all for your safety" don'cha'kno. Ask any liberal, or conservative for that matter now a days.:deal


    Sarcasm, lots of sarcasm.:lol3:lol3:lol3
  16. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

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    The police set the speed limits where you live? :huh It's worse than I thought:lol3
  17. Jud

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    You have to try harder!:lol3
  18. Human Ills

    Human Ills Useful Idiom

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    Someone should tell those cops to shut up and that regulations are properly set by elected representatives or through their appointed experts. They should have no more influence over speed limits than any other citizen:lol3
  19. henshao

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  20. Jud

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    Yes, for the most part we are. And it's only gonna get worse as a nation usually gets the type government it asks for,,,, or, effectively asks for based on elections. As a perfect example, that POSPOTUS we currently have.:deal

    In the case of Prohibition and the NMSL,,,, even federal asshats ultimately succumbed tp public opinion as they were both repealed, took a hell of a long time but in the end, it worked. We even had one state allow for unlimited speeds {well, Safe and Prudent anyway} after the repeal of the NMSL. That didn't last long as every asshat in the country with a fast car or bike trekked there to play Ricky Racer on public highways. Act like idiots, some idiot somewhere will try to idiot proof shit. Then, everyone, even non-idiots will suffer. Meanwhile, someone else will prove that you can indeed make better idiots to circumvent said idiot proofing. As an example, I give you,,,,,, the modern Democrat party with the modern Republican party only being slightly less so.:puke1

    Anyone notice the overwhelming {to some,,,, overbearing} and underlying theme yet?:wink::lol3