ABS or Adventure S?

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  1. Pundy

    Pundy Been here awhile

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    I want a 990 with ABS and an S suspension. So, is it easier to put ABS into an Adventure S or to put longer S suspension into a regular Adventure?
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  2. dlrides

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    Mentioning ABS and "S" in the same sentence may be a bannable offense.


    Buy a GS
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  4. northsoutheastwest

    northsoutheastwest Alaskaless....for now.

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    to actually answer your question, installing the longer "S" model suspension onto your already ABS equipped bike would be easier although I am unsure if it would affect the intended operation of the ABS in any way.

    check with these guys.

    http://www.superplushsuspension.com/
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  5. Pundy

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    I've owned a GS and have ridden my buddies Adventure S and love it. I understand that I might get flamed on this, but when you're riding two up fully loaded in Maine (where I live) and you encounter a moose mid-corner, ABS is a nice thing to have. If I could own two street bikes it'd be a different story, I'd have an S without ABS and a touring bike with. What's the drawback to having ABS if it can be turned off, other than it's not cool...
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  6. arjen

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    ABS will not work on the S version. Suspension is to long and this will effect the ABS dramatically. It will release brakepressure to soon, so i wouldn't work/brake. As a matter of fact, it will be dangerous. ABS is a very complex matter.
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  7. dezracer

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    WHAT! I dont think so. Another inch of suspension will not "dramatically effect" the way ABS works. There are several on here that have swapped S suspension to ABS Blackies. It works fine. While Im at it ABS isnt all that complex either.
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  8. arjen

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    If it isn't that complex, ever wondered why ABS isn't available as an aftermarket bold on? Think how big that market would be... Just search. It isn't available.... But I don't want to ruin the party. Just my personal 2 cents.
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  9. Bok Befok

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    you can have my abs:puke1
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  10. azkiwi

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    Its complex as a bolt-on because it requires resources (physical, electrical) that are best added in the design phase. As an independent electro-mechanical system its not especially complex.

    Given there is no suspension component in the ABS system calculations, I don't see what difference S suspension would make.

    To the OP: have you ridden the non-S ADV?
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  11. dezracer

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    I appreciate everyones input here and dont mean to disrespect your opionion, but you stated that ABS wont work with S spec suspension which is untrue and would lead the OP in the wrong direction. Cheers!
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  12. Pundy

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    Azkiwi, I have not tried a non S Adventure. Do you have an opinion on them that you want to share, or are you just saying that I should do so prior to making a final decision? Seems like maybe the decision has been made for me as it looks like aftermarket ABS is not as readily an option as aftermarket suspension....?
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  13. dezracer

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    Mine too!
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  14. Pundy

    Pundy Been here awhile

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    You guys serious about your ABS systems? How hard would it be to install on a bike that doesn't have it? Anyone know?
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  16. mookymoo

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    You can add ABS to an S.
    And you can convert (or swap) S suspension on a non-S.

    The latter is simplest - but given guys are giving away their removed ABS, the former may be cheaper...

    I would really question, though, whether you want that ABS.
    Turning it off on the dirt is not the problem - REMEMBERING to turn it off is.
    And every time you stop the bike (or more specifically, every time you start the bike) you have to remember to turn the damn thing off.

    If you had asked me 1 yr ago, I would have favoured a setup like youre considering - but I have been out with guys on 990's and the amount of faffing around involved in keeping the ABS off (and the consequences if you forget) have changed my opinion significantly.

    Converting a non-S to S spec will involve:
    a) Extending fork & shock travel (see above superplush link as a guide to costs)
    b) S-spec sidestand
    c) S-spec centre-stand
    It all adds up. If you happen to find someone who has bought an S and wants to lower it, then it could be free... but dont hold your breath

    Retro-fitting an ABS (I am thinking aloud) is going to involve:
    a) fitting the ABS itself
    b) fitting the ABS rings to disk/hub (its just the disc thats different or the hub?)
    c) fitting the sensors
    d) changing all the brake lines to plumb in the ABS (I think its the same brake lines - just going to need different banjo bolts where the line to the ABS T's in)
    c) removing the speedo sensor cable & plugging speed output from ABS.
    d) various wiring & power supply gubbins.

    Bottom line is neither is not trivial in terms of cost and/or complexity.

    Really re-evaluate whether this is something you want to do.
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  17. arjen

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    I know people at KTM in the Netherlands and asked. Answer was that it would be a liability on a bike with long suspension as the S version. Then, let's assume you put it on. Sure you could make it work. But are you going to trust it? How are you going to test it? Would you try to lock the front at topspeed to see what happens? The motorcycle manufacturers tested it in controled circumstances and on a closed track with additional safety equipment in cooperation with the ABS manufacturer. If you have ABS you must be able to rely on it. Otherwise i would rather not have it. Braking is not something to take lightly. It's about your life. Don't mess with it if you don't know what you are doing. But i don't want to stand in the way of anyones succes! Just my opinion. Besides, KTM is not a company with great experience with ABS. Only on the 990 Adventure and there have been problems reported with that allready. Read some of the Specialist LC8 forums. And you can't change the ABS software (if you allready knew what you were doing) Even BMW have still problems after so many years. Just google BMW MOTORRAD ABS . You don't have to speak german to understand that it is about problems....
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  18. Fluffycat

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    This is a great thread:D .
    By the way Honda have just added ABS to a superbike, the CBR600. Bike mag UK have tested it with good results. Longer suspension will affect dive under braking load but the damper is the same on both models??. But has no effect on wheel speed. Can't see what difference it would make if any.
    Buy the ABS equipped model and put on the longer travel suspension and give it a test and let us all know how it goes:evil .

    Oh and you better get some good deodorant as you will get a sweaty pushing that pesky ABS button all the time:rofl
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  19. dlrides

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    Mods, can this thread be moved to GSpot ?
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  20. Clem

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    I have a 990 ABS with 265mm S suspension and the ABS works just fine.
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