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Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Tremelune, Feb 11, 2018.
That's not the helmet, that a function of the face shield construction. It matters.
Snell is no longer like that. The old Snell 2005 standard was too good at protecting the skull and transferred a lot of energy to the brain. Snell 2015 is more like the ECE standard which is pretty good. The 6D is definitely progress and most other manufacturers have followed with technologies made for reducing energy transfer to the brain. I've read a lot of personal experiences of dirt bikers that hit their head wearing a 6D and theres a particularly violent crash video where pro rider Zach Bell whacked is head hard and still raced later that day;ended up with a minor concussion.
6D is real progress - there is good research and testing showing that it is much more than hype. I have the dirt model, and am considering a street model as well. Not quite as comfy or well-finished as other premium brands, but a very close and worth it for the step forward it represents.
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You say that, but I don't see anything within table 5, Peak Acceleration Values that indicates any change whatsoever. In fact it's remained almost exactly the same as the SM1985 standards, their first motorcycle specific helmet standards. Which really was the same as SA1985, with the elimination of flammability concerns and a slightly increased field of view.
While you are trying on different helmets, take a look at some of their features.
Venting (not just number of, put also functionality) varies greatly.
Flip Down sun shield. YMMV, but I love mine. I wear glasses and very rarely put my sunglasses on.
Pinlock. Lack of this has turned into a deal breaker for me.
Flip up / modular.
Washable liner and how easy is it to remove.
Does the visor have positive and usable stops for riding with it open?
Good luck with your search.
I see folks talking about the Transition face shields here. One thing you need to keep in mind is that just like the Transition lenses in eyeglasses the active chemical that makes this work has a "shelf life". They're likely only last about 12-18 months depending on usage and they will be expensive to replace. I've had the Transition lenses in my eyeglasses for quite a few years now, about 12-15, and even in the much smaller eyeglasses after 2 years they don't work as well. Takes significantly longer to lighten up and don't get as dark anymore. Just my .02
My criteria is a) legality, b) fit, c) weight. Anything beyond that (low noise level, good visor system, plush interior materials, cool graphics/colour) is immaterial/nice-to-have.
Long-oval, intermediate-oval, whatever-oval - I've found it all to be quite meaningless. The webbikeworld site does not always jibe with the lidpicker free data page. People say that "I was a model X owner and now model Y fits me exactly the same" while other model X owners will swear up and down that model Y is completely different and gives them a headache within seconds of donning. Your head isn't shaped like a sphere or egg or any variation in between. It's a potato - with strange lumps and bumps where others don't have them. You may get yourself into the ball park with your average head shape, but you still need to try each one.
As an aside, I just checked Arai's North American website and don't see a Defiant model. Discontinued? I was considering one to replace my Vector.
The first step there is NOT to wear polarized sunglasses when driving.
I don't think so - Quantum being their rounder version. Again, though, you must try one on.
Yeah - I did that once. The combination of my polarized sunglasses and clear visor turned everything that would normally be black to some seriously trippy iridescent purple (tar snakes, expansion joints, etc). Cars would change colour as they got closer, too. It wasn't fun.
I wear Transitions polarized glasses and have never noticed anything looking through any of my face shields or goggles. Of course, my glasses don't go full dark or full polarized inside my helmet like they do in the boat of something.
My glasses do go just dark/polarized enough to start seeing spots on car windows. But I still haven't ever noticed any issues with my face shields or goggles. All of my face shields and goggles also have clear lens. I don't like tinted of any kind.
Anymore, I can't stand to ride without Transitions Vantage polarized glasses on. They go just polarized enough inside my helmet to knock down nasty glare and any bright spots off glass and metal without wiping out phone or GPS screens.
Again, the shield manufacturer and the process used matter a great deal. On my Arai shields, there is no distortion or issue with wearing polarized eye wear. On something else, that's maybe not as well made or produced differently? Yah, there's a difference.
This was a clear Arai shield.
Odd. I've used my photochromic polarized lenses with my Arai XD and never a problem. Even a pinlock and no issue.
Could be the glasses too, I suppose.
Yes, didn't think of that. For what it's worth, my lenses are from Smith and are glass.
Bell's "$10 head, $10 helmet" ad campaign left a distinct impression on me in my youth and I've never hesitated to spend money on helmets. I've worn all sorts of full face helmets over the years. Arai, Shoei, Suomy, AGV, Bell, Scorpion and just bought an HJC. Over the 40+ years I've been riding, helmets have come a long way and today many companies have quality offerings. One of things I've found is that fit changes as helmets are revised. While I used to think Arai and Shoei had the best fit for me, I've found the current models don't fit me as well as other brands. I moved away from AGV and Bell because the newer models didn't fit as well as the preceding model I owned. Too bad, because just like others I really like the Transitions shield on the Bell. The other thing that is amazing to me is how light helmets can be. I owned a carbon fiber Bell Star most recently before buying an HJC RPHA 11 Pro. I buy for fit first and weight second. I was interested in buying a Schuberth SR2 but couldn't find anywhere to try it on. In the end, I wouldn't hesitate buying an ECE or Snell approved helmet from a major producer as long as it fit well.
I'll be shopping for a new Helmet come spring time. I've worn Bell (a long time ago), Arai and currently a KBC. The KBC is as comfortable as my Arai Signet E was. The Arai was noisy, but the KBC is really loud. Everything else about the helmet I like. I really need a quiet helmet....Doing some research a one person says helmet brand/style "X" is quiet, while someone else says the exact same hemet is not quiet.......not looking forward to the whole shopping process......
My KBC has done well too, but now showing it's age. On the hunt now too - I used to have a $10 head, but can't find $10 helmets anymore...so is my head worth over $300 now ?