Accurate speedometer on the 1190 ADV R??

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by phme910, May 31, 2014.

  1. JoeMongo

    JoeMongo ¿Por dónde?

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    Wellllllll . . . you could always try the "990 upgrade". My 2008 is within 0.1 mph of exactly accurate. It might be even closer.

    Of course my ABS was so bad that I removed it and I have no traction control in addition to my organic computer and wrist, but maybe its worth it for an accurate speedo.
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  2. RobZorba

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    Just a question really. In the USA are the speedos on all vehicles accurate compared with GPS readouts of speed?

    In Europe, consumer vehicles are fitted with speedos that typically read 10% under the true speed as read on a GPS unit. It's something to do with EU regulations. We are used to it. e.g. BMW cars and bikes all read approx 10% under the true speed.

    So I'm just thinking, is the situation in the USA different? Do your 4-w vehicles normally read the true speed?
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  3. WickedKTM

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    10% is pretty far out IMO and should be corrected. My dealer said it was "within spec" When I am traveling at 80, my GPS indicates 72MPH.

    So essentially every 1000 actual miles I put on this bike the odometer is indicating 1100 miles.

    I would imagine they should be able to correct this - anyone have real knowledge if this is possible?

    I tried these guys but they have not solution for the 1190's: [FONT=georgia, serif]http://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/sh/


    ROB: in my experience with cars 2-5% is normal but nothing beyond that.
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  4. Mr Head

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    The speedo on my 990 is closer with Scorpion A/T tires than with TKC80 or 908RR. I have checked using a GPS device/app RallyBlitz

    http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=936183

    With the 908RR or TKC80 the speedo is off 3 to 4 mph. The Scorpion is less. I can't recall the value for the Scorpions.
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  5. scudrunner82

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    Every motorcycle I've ever ridden had speedo error built in. Its nothing new on the 1190R. Its really not a big deal once you get used to compensating for it.
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  6. k².

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    my 1190R is 20% off
    not kidding

    when it says 115km you ride in the middle of trucks limited to 90km
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  7. DirtJack

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    I believe US DOT requires no more than 10% error. My 1190R shows speeds which are in error about 10% higher than actual speed as measured by GPS. The odometer is rather accurate. Less than 1% error when compared to the GPS distance. Using the odometer to compute mpg or GPS distance to computer mpg give about the same figures and compare closely to the mpg computed by the 1190R dash.
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  8. RobZorba

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    If it is that far out, then your software version may contain the "bug" that was introduced when the first MSC upgrades were installed. There is a later version that fixes this and brings the error down to less than 10%
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  9. DirtJack

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    77 mph on dash is 70 mph actual on my 1190R
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  10. oldfuddy

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    picked my 1190R up from its first service today. among a few items I had mentioned to the dealer to check, one item was the speedo for accuracy. I know much has been discussed in this thread about the factory coding wheel size and federal mandates about percentage of accuracy… all i can say is my tech stated he dialed in to the speedo with whatever equipment he uses and he said my bike was set at 17" and he changed it to 21". He stated the 1290 SD and 1190 use the same 60314069000 VDO speedo and mine had not been set for the 1190R. I didn't think to have him "show me" how he selected the wheel size, but I will on my next service and will call to ask if not for at least clarification here. I'd hate to think the dealer fed me a mouthful of crap. Dealer wouldn't to that… :huh

    I never did a GPS test prior to bringing the bike in for service, so i do not have a baseline to start with. On the way home I matched the bike up against my GPS and also my wife's car (car is within 1mph of GPS) on the highway at 50, 60, 70, 80, and 90 mph. At 50 the speedo was off by just under 2 mph (GPS) and at 90 it was off by just under 4 mph. still have the stock Conti's on it with 650 miles. Whats ground truth on these speedos I don't know, but I can live with 4mph high at 90. That's better then any of my other bikes currently in the stable or recently sold.
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  11. PineyMountainRacing

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    I watched my dealer go through the menus while he had my bike hooked up last week. On wheel size, there are 3 options. It didn't actually say 17, 19 and 21. IIRC, the options were 1190S, 1190R and SuperDuke (which would be 19. 21 and 17 respectfully).

    I've done a couple thousand miles in the last 2 weeks, and mine is pretty close to the 10% that others are discussing. Comparing to the GPS anyway. I thought this weekend I'd hook another GPS just for S's and G's. I haven't tried to pace the bike with a car.

    Here's a similar thread

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=984217
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  12. oldfuddy

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    very cool… and glad you actually saw it. I wish I did a baseline before I took it in as it felt way off before just based on normally traveled roads and speed compared to moving traffic. It's pretty solid now and I'm very satisfied.
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  13. JTucker

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    I've done a few myself and they're all off when the correct wheel size is put in. It's an option in the diagnostic tool. You have to pretty much go through every option on a new bike because they're pretty random as to what's in there from the factory.
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  14. PineyMountainRacing

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    Are u saying there is another screen for programming? Mine's set for the "R" but I'm off basically 10% which is the worst of any bike I've ever owned. Now the ODO is off 3%, based on GPS over flat ground. Every 33 miles my bikes trip meter has registered an extra mile compared to the GPS.
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  15. MunK

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    My 950 was off more than I liked. You had the option of selecting wheel size on startup. I changed the setting from 21 to 17 and the speedo was on the money!

    I now have an 1190r, same problem. I talked to my mechanic about it and he changed the setting to the standard. Now the accuracy is close enough. It's very accurate up to about 35. The bike reads 2 to 3 high at 60 and 3 to 4 at 80. Makes me wonder if the 17 of the superduke would be closer?


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  16. PineyMountainRacing

    PineyMountainRacing Oops....

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    I almost asked my dealer to switch mine to the 19" setting. It would be nice to try the 17 and 19 and see which one is closest for speed as well as mileage. Sounds like 17 is the way to go. Maybe I can pay one of the local dealers to switch it. I won't be back up in NC until August.
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  17. Sumi

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    This is an EU regulation thing (and KTM is an EU company), so it has to be off about 5-10%. Live with it. (think of it like the cats. the bike has to have it to get it's licence for manufacture)
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  18. DirtJack

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    GPS distances are the sum of straight-line distances between the GPS sample coordinates. They will always measure a distance less than or equal to an accurate odometer. The more curves in the road, the greater the error. Also, the faster you ride, the greater the error because of the greater distance between sample points. So, your ODO error is likely less than 3%
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