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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Oz Nutter, Sep 25, 2010.
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Sorry about the crappy quality... Waterproof case on the iPhone doesn't help :)
Yeah I really don't know my way around out there at all... Yesterday highlighted my need to get hold of a GPS that'll do topo maps so as not to end up lost beyond hope of return lol The map at the Bendora carpark told me that I could get back to Bulls Head easily enough otherwise it would have been backtracking, which would have worked fine, but it's always nice to see different stuff
Most of those 'roads' in the Brindies are on a normal GPS and signposted. First ride I did in 2011 I used a standard car Navman GPS velcroed to my windscreen on the F650. Got pretty dusty and couldn't read the screen in full sun! Had to keep stopping and wiping the dust off it.
And yell out if you want me to "Print to PDF" some Topo from my Garmin Base Camp. Google Satellite can also confirm what's in a Digital Raster map, cause they don't always match!
For instance, I wanted to take the left turn at Blue Range up the ridghe to Two Sticks. Google Satgellite said it was there, Shonky Topo said it was there, Garmin Topo said it was there, but when we got there, big logs and rocks blocked it off. It's the red line on the left....B&W is inverted satellite image showing the track was there. Ended up taking the snaking magenta track to get to the border.
And another map tool I have been using in National Parks of late is 'Avenza PDF Maps' on the Phone and Tablet. Good resolution, but pretty much a "You are here" and a digital map to scroll around looking for roads / features, and that's it. But it doesn't need any connections, as you download and convert all the digital maps before you go.
Yeah I had a crappy old TomTom, but broke it a few months back, so yesterday was a case of having a look at google maps before I headed out to get roughly familiar with a few road names and then just winging it. I've got a pretty decent sense of direction so was never terribly concerned as I knew I wasn't going too far, and as long as I still had 1/2 tank of fuel I could always backtrack
At least now I know that I'll also need some better tyres once these are worn out, and I should also look at helmets with better airflow for the slow stuff as the Shoei GT Air is fantastic on the road but not so much on the dirt... Just need me a lotto win and I'll be sorted lol
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I explored the Brindies with a mate in the early 90's using topo paper maps from Auslig and a compass eh. A small 8 x 21 monocular helps too for identifying landmarks at distance.
These days it's all GPS and lattes. (I've got 3 GPS btw......)
I must say, I love my paper maps. I've got every toppo from goulburn to mudgee and mittagong to orange.
When ADpete and I did a ride in 2009 through some fairly unused remote spots we had GPS tracks programmed in to follow, but hardcopy backups eh.
Paper maps don't get flat batteries or have meltdowns, plus you can wipe your bum with them when they belong to your mates.
Just glorious out there yesterday - but very powdery. Surprised there was nobody camping as it's still school hols.
So where does one obtain paper maps from? Used to get them direct from the map makers in Bruce, but that was 20 years ago...
Melb map centre supplies all my mapping desires ,
Also offer laminating etc ....
AUSLIG in Canberra used to sell their maps over the counter out at Symonston. I haven't been there in ages but I don't see why it would be any different, unless a gubbermint-of-the-day made them flog it off.
I was out myself yesterday Ron, took a spin via Buckajo Rd to Bega and back (and threw in a Bega River crossing, just 'cos I could ). I had to order a KTM tool and see if I could get an oil seal (trip to Canberra on Saturday for that one) so I took my two-fiddy for the trip, and the top of the road surface is so dusty that 4th gear spinning up was easy most everywhere in the dust. When a 250 gets easy spinup, you know it's loose eh.
Well - I've always been a map and compass bloke, still operate in Mils so if you're with me it could be interesting, might start carting my compass with me, not my good one though
Silva Ranger Special - cost $250 in '95 !
I too used to get all my paper maps from 'Geoscience' (AGSO/AGRO) but I haven't been there myself in recent years and I heard they did close it due to online sales now being 'so easy'. Hmm, much easier to drop into Symonston for me! And no $10 postage per $8 map.
Let me know how you go - map sales @ Bathurst Lands Dept ? used to be OK too!
The Mont shop in Perie St Fyshwick have a pretty good selection of topo maps particularly of the local and alpine region.
The camping part of Bartondale Marine at Phillip used to have a big selection and most camping places still carry paper maps.
But maps for money you'd be hard pressed to go past the 1:25000, 1:50000 and 1:100000 raster maps of Australia at
if you already have Oziexplorer.
Looks like the price has gone up $10 recently but the cost is probably much less than $1 a map with this package - much better than $7 to $15 per map for each of the paper maps.
Going for the USB version is well worth the extra $10 as you have unlimited copies and don't waste hours on downloads if you have slow internet.
And if you want a paper version to take with you just print what you need at whatever scale you like.
Another big plus is that the 1:25000 series is relatively modern at 2012 compared with the paper maps currently available, many of which are based on data more than 50 years old.
And if you do have a GPS with something like Oziexplorer installed you can easily load all the maps into it.
But I've found that even maps on the cheap $50 Aldi GPSs are all you need if you're not bushwalking. I very rarely use paper maps - or the more detailed GPS ones. So much of the paper maps is out of date that you just can't rely on them. They certainly wouldn't show the recently introduced seasonal closures of Pabral and Curries around Coree, for example.
Then again, neither would the GPS maps. They still don't show the new roads in Fyshwick and Hume or the closure of the lookout coming into Tuggeranong - decades out of date.
Nothing beats local knowledge.
A full set of Rooftop maps is a good investment, they aren't too out of date, mostly. I also have most of the 1/25k maps for around here and the coast. The Forestry maps are good too, although getting out of date.
Garmin's Oz/NZ Topo is about the best maps I've come across though. Really good for NSW and Qld, although a bit more variable in Vic.
Yes, the Rooftop and forestry maps are the ones I've found most useful.
I'm packing Hema's Western NSW and Motorcycle Atlas today, along with Basecamp and a pile of downloaded tracks and ones I've planned my self on my Asus ultrabook to support my Montana. 99.9% of the next 3wks navigation will be using the Montana and Oz/NZ Topo.
What's also good for planning is Google Earth, GE. If you download the free NSWGlobe.kml you get all the property boundaries among other stuff overlaid on GE imagery. Basecamp also has a menu option to view your current selection in GE, very handy.