Adirondacks - unpaved

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - Northeast, Southeast & Florida' started by RidingUpAndDown, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. RidingUpAndDown

    RidingUpAndDown Been here awhile

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    I've been looking at a trip to the Adirondacks and am wondering if I can get some local knowledge/feedback on what appears, on paper, to be some great back roads of the unpaved kind up there. Quite a few hundred miles of back roads. :clap

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    Wondering if these are mostly gravel, vs. something sand/dirt?
    What is it like in the Spring, and when does the mud get out?
    What about places to camp? Is stealth camping a possibility?
    Is there a black fly season, if so when?
    Any resource to check-in on local conditions, road closings...?
    Are there any good back road trip reports out there?
    ?? :ear

    Many Thanks, dean :ricky

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  2. UpstateTriumph

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    I'm interested in making a similar trip. Unfortunately I can't answer many of your questions as it'll be my first time riding ADK.

    If you search Adirondack or Tug Hill there are a number of threads w/ trip reports and tracks. Attached looks like a good route, but I believe motorcycles are not allowed on the road through Moose River Plains.

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  3. UpstateTriumph

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  4. 2upadv

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    That is correct but there is a nice dirt road between Raquette Lake and Inlet that iwll get you to the same location.
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  5. CannonsvilleRider

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    I haven't explored those roads and I will be checking them out as soon as it warms up.
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  6. UpstateTriumph

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    Anyone rode 10 Mile Truck Crossing Rd, in Brantingham or McCarty Rd? I'm thinking of planning a route: Partridgeville rd - 10 Mile truck crossing rd - Balsam Flats rd - McCarty Rd to Stillwater.
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  7. mp183

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    Wolf Pond Road from Mt. View to Standish
    Where it heads east by Wolf Pond, is not paved
    I would stay away from it if you are on a street bike
    Will probably be vey challenging, sections have a tendency go get washed out. Only Wold Pond Road is public others are private and patrolled by Forest Service guy with a 40 cal. Glock.
    Studley Hill Rd. is not paved but you can go it on a street bike.
    Going south of Wold Pond.
    D & H road is a mixture of private logging roads
    The railroad bed is the way to go but it's not legal but enforcement
    is pretty rare.
    #14 Red Tavern road is a nice paved road
    You might not see anyone all the way to St. Regis Falls, even in the summer.
    Blue Mountain Road south of Santa Clara, starts paved and becomes dirt
    nobody there. You can do it in your car.
    Dear Valley Trails is a nice eating spot in the woods just about where the pavement ends. The roads going west off Blue Mt. Road are all pretty much gated. You think you can pass and find out you can't.
    To go west in that area you have to stay way to the north or way to the south.
    Too much unused private land in the hands of all types of foundations from the old robber baron days of our history.
    More and more roads become gated.
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  8. jontow

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    If you're taking this trip in spring: most of the roads up in this region will be pretty screwed up from frost heaving, and you might as well consider them all partially gravel. I don't recall exactly when black fly season is, but if you take Red Tavern Rd during it, you'll know.

    Your route looks a lot like one that I mapped out a few times over on dualsportmaps.com, and I've travelled big pieces of this many times over. You've got some stuff I didn't find or try, though, like Wolf Pond, etc.

    See above about Blue Mtn Road: if you get on it in St Regis Falls, you can expect to either turn around, or come out by the entrance to Paul Smith's College. There really isn't another way out that doesn't involve gate crashing: too bad, I had mapped a nice path out through the Bay Pond club area just off the west of Blue Mtn Rd.. but there's a very nice gate *and gatehouse* at the entrance to the road. Total no go.

    I joke with my friends locally that the ADK's biggest natural resource is gates. Take Blue Mtn Rd and you'll see why I say that--huge number of beautiful [gated] private side roads.

    A lot of the section between Blue Mtn Rd and Sterling Pond Rd (just outside Parishville, NY) is owned by timber companies, leased to hunting clubs. They love their gates, too. Sometimes you'll find a gate open: doesn't mean its 100% legitimate to be on the road, and if someone catches you, they may run you off. I haven't been shot at without verbal warning [yet].

    From Sterling Pond Rd where it meets White Hill Rd / Joe Indian Rd / Stark Rd (same road, changes names/towns repeatedly along its route) all the way out to SH56, this is all paved: some of it quite nice and twisty and great to ride, some is a little busted up.

    Your route from 56 out into nowhere and back onto itself, well, I don't want to be a buzzkill because there is a *LOT* of good riding there. The route looks awesome, but runs through many gated areas. There are public entrances to this tract of land, and once you're in, you can get to the back side of most of the gates without getting hassled, however, going through a gate is different than being able to touch it from both sides....somehow?

    This ride looks like a huge amount of fun: but there are a lot of gates, and I don't want you to be too disappointed. I've lived to the northwest of these tracks for a few decades and still haven't learned all of the legal vs. illegal routes :)

    I do have a few GPX files to help you out though: they're all tracks from my GPS or similar, cleaned up with Viking and/or dualsportmaps, before google killed it.

    http://bd.zenbsd.net/~jontow/gpx/SLC_Day_Trip.gpx (links White Hill Rd to Rt 3, with other riding in between)
    http://bd.zenbsd.net/~jontow/gpx/hannawa-to-essex-ferry.gpx (fairly direct route with more detail than what you've posted, but confirmed ridable roads. one of my favorite routes)
    http://bd.zenbsd.net/~jontow/gpx/long_pond_run.gpx (this is that section between 56 and 3, and includes a valid route through: I have been hassled before by someone who decided I wasn't using the conservation easement the way he demanded I should)

    Lot of nice riding up here, but you have to take lots of time to find it in and amongst the dead ends and gated roads.
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  9. UpstateTriumph

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    Ahh I just a planned a route down Ten mile truck road, and saw this. How far is down is the gated section? I'm would be coming from Brantingham lake
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  10. GoFish2

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    There's a gate a almost immediately at the Brantingham end. Another gate maybe a mile from the other end. A smaller bike can squeeze around them. It's really not worth the hassle of getting in trouble. Property owners have keys and it's open to sledders in the winter.


    A nice stretch would be from Croghan to Stillwater to Eagle Bay. This ends at rt. 28, just North of Old Forge. More than half is dirt. For a map pm me your email.
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  11. NJ-Bill

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    I am going up there this summer. I am sending you a PM with my email address. Thanks!
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  12. GoFish2

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    Attached is a .gpx file for the trip. If you don't mind pavement, it can be extended to go through some outstanding spots, including Lake Placid, where the winter olympics were held in '76, I believe.
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  13. BKMLWR

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    the attached gpx file is called "Arizona Short Loop" when I open it in mapsource...and you guessed it, it is in AZ....
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  14. GoFish2

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    My mistake - try this one...
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    still showing Arizona Shorter Loop in .....you guessed it ....Arizona
    give it another try....
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  16. GoFish2

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    This may be more than my little brain can handle, but try this one...

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  17. BKMLWR

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    still stuck in Arizona....

    try saving gpx file as under new file name and then check it for content then post link...
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  18. NJ-Bill

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    Here is a route I am working on. I added all the waypoints that gofish2 had in his gpx file plus some roads I have been researching. However, I deleted the detour through AZ. :wink: I appreciate any feedback on this route. It may be used by a group at an upcoming gathering.

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  19. BKMLWR

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    apologies to GoFish2 if the waypoints were in the other files along with the Az route. I just saw the route and did a "show on map", not realizing the waypoints were not in the route.

    I rode the Moose River Rd this fall from Rt28 along South Branch Moose River to Port Leyden. It was mostly all paved but a very nice ride. Well worth the taking...
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  20. GoFish2

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    Thanks NJ Bill for fixing my shortcomings. This is a very underutilized area and well worth the effort...GoFish2


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