ADV bikes vs ST bikes on the road

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Colorado_Rider, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. Wraith Rider

    Wraith Rider Banned

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    Have a look at the main street of my home town:
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    Though I always jokingly say that's why SUVs and ADV bikes are the perfect city bikes, it's nothing a sports bike - or her wheels for that matter - couldn't easily handle, not to mention a tourer.

    How the heck could weight be related to rain?
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  2. rivercreep

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    I think it really has to do more with the quality of the suspension of the bikes being compared.
    The above being said, I'll take a budget suspension on a DR650 over that of my TU250X any day...because I enjoy having healthy kidneys. (the travel makes up for a multitude of designer sins)

    ...and wraithrider, your roads make Pennsylvania's look completely smooth. I don't think anyone in a State/Country with good roads, can ever appreciate extra suspension travel, until they encounter roads where potholes are lane wide, 4-9 inches deep (or more, that appear over night) and there are frost heaves the size of speed bumps.:puke1

    I've bent a few street bike wheels in my time...never, NEVER have I managed to even ding the wheels on any of my stock suspension DR650's.
    ...I'll never own another pure street bike, ever again. (I'm getting too old for the pounding Pa. roads give me):cry
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  3. Sp4Mike

    Sp4Mike Been here awhile

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    If I remember the sign from my German Drivers license test, that is 'straben schaden'

    How bad is my spelling?

    Nothing like cooking down the A6 at 140 and seeing that sign too late!:deal
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  4. /dev/null

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    More gravity. It pulls the rain toward you and you get wetter. Fact.
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  5. James Adams

    James Adams non impediti ratione cogitationis

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    For me, it's about ergonomics. The upright position of most of the adventure-touring bikes is really comfortable.

    However, my sport-touring bike gets most of the miles. :lol3
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    Yes, if you have an excellent surface like that, sure you can do that on any bike just fine. :D
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  7. Wraith Rider

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  8. bk brkr baker

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    True.
    I live in the country and city riding is not my favorite. The street shown in the vid would be easily doable on any bike.
    Now the oppisite side of the coin is New York City.
    Damn ! I rode around in it one night between 2 am and day light and it has bomb craters waiting to ruin your day. Wheel swallowing potholes.
    That night, there was little traffic so the guy riding with me and I were able to see and miss most of them. But, in the day traffic you can't really see the road in front of you as it's covered by buses,cabs and cars .My SR500 is not graced by much suspension and I bottomed out both ends and the foam on the seat causing my back to machine gun crack like a visit to a chiropractor.
    If I ever go to NYC again my weapon of choice will be my KLR.
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  9. dwoodward

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    Buy the Tiger Explorer.












    :hide

    (But seriously- The MS is a great bike to ride, but a friend has one and it spends more nightsat the dealership than in his own garage.)
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  10. scottrnelson

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    Not all of them.

    I rode a Ducati ST2 for many years before I bought my KTM 990 Adv. It weighed less than my KTM, which is one of the lighter big adventure bikes. The Ducati was a great long distance bike, but not something I would ever want to take on a dirt road.

    The biggest differences I see for "sport touring" duty between the Ducati and KTM is that I have a little more legroom on the KTM, I'm able to spend more time on the seat on the KTM before my backside gets sore, and the KTM does a bit better on really rough roads. I had the suspension on the ST2 adjusted by a suspension expert so that it worked great on twisty roads, but it would bottom out on really rough stuff. I have to hit a major pothole offroad on the KTM to get it to bottom out.

    I'm sure that I would love riding a Multistrada 1200ST, and I'm sort of afraid to take a test ride on one, because I'm not sure I could afford one right now. The fear is that I would feel that I have to have one after a test ride. :lol3

    The vast majority of my riding would be better on the Multistrada, but I still occasionally take my KTM places that I wouldn't take the Ducati. Part of that is the fear of scratching a beautiful bike. For some reason it wouldn't bother me much to scratch the KTM and I don't even look for scratches on my XR650L, which gets dropped once in a while.
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  11. Black Hills

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    If I was doing a coast to coast ride or a iron butt ride of any type and staying on good roads I would choose and FJR. very comfortable, great wind protection, good range and tons of power. for everything else my 1190 Adventure will work just fine.
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  12. Maggot12

    Maggot12 U'mmmm yeaah!!

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    Doesn't have to be coast to coast or iron butt. I have yet to do either but mostly just weekend trips. The FJR doesn't know where its going or for how long. The comfort, wind protection, range and power is great, whether the ride is 2 hours, 2 days, or two months.
    I had a strom then a CBF1000 which I sold last summer. I debated the last six months on which bike to replace it with, a tenere or FJR. I factored that only a very small portion of my riding will be off pavement, and that would be just campgrounds. I chose an FJR.
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  13. slartidbartfast

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    I much prefer being eye-to-eye with SUV drivers on my GS. In some cases I have a better view. It's more comfortable and less tiring to ride long distances than a sport-tourer IMO. The ST might be better for sustained high speeds (100+) but that's not really an issue as there's hardly anywhere you can even think about doing that anyway.
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  14. PeterW

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    Weight and geometry make a big difference if the bike starts to slide around ?.

    It's not JUST the rain that's a problem, potholes fill up and disappear, as does broken seal, oil becomes impossible to see.

    A slide on my DL really is a non-event, and I do ride the nasty back roads in the rain on that, a heavier bike with smaller bars (less leverage), smaller lock to lock steering angle and yes, more power becomes a handful a lot sooner.


    Pete
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  15. claude512

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    try a MTS1200 (but only if you have the money to buy one :wink:)
    seriously, it's a sport bike with upright riding position

    and that gets us to the main point for me, riding ergonomics! ST type bikes are sportier riding position, with all the pros and cons that entails
    I've ridden a big ninja, regularily ride a GSX-R 1300 (if i want to), and I bought a MTS, to me for the type of riding I do it just makes more sense (and I do NO dirt riding at all). It's just more comfortable, upright riding position makes for better view angle... oh and it has an engine that makes most ST type bikes blush :D

    seriously, try one!
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  16. BanjoBoy

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    I likez the power, wind protection, reliability 'n low maintenance of the FJR mahself. 'N fer me it werks just fine off road or thrash'in goat trailz too. :clap

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    You youngsters iz alwayz find'in shortcomings in yer bikes when y'all should be look'in in the mirror at yerselves. :wink:

    Oh yeah, I rember this; the lamest article I dun ever read. :huh
    Anybody who thinks the fragile, agricultural, dry clutch tranny on that vintage pos R bike, shifts bettah than them ST bikes, don't know the 1st thang 'bout ride'in.
    Anybody who thinks that weak sauce, fragile twin (It haz soul!) iz a bettah motor that them thar ST bikes, don't know shit 'bout ride'in. MCN dun showed me their staff don't know shit 'bout bikes! :deal
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    Let me show you some REAL off road sometime. How do you think it would work on something like this, up above Downieville?
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  18. Wraith Rider

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    I was talking about rain, not about conditions where one is sliding around.

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    All of you ride whatever bikes you want to ride. :rofl
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  20. dwoodward

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    GIven my skill set- just fine. It'd get high-centered in the first 20 feet, before I could hurt myself, instead of half a mile in where nobody'd see me and I'd have to cut my own leg off to get back to where someone might help me. :deal
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