1. JDUBinCO

    JDUBinCO Mass Centralized

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    Question for you Dads (and Moms) of riders...

    I would love like nothing else to get my kids into motos (quads if I must). Some of the best times of my life have been riding with my brother and I want to share the addiction with my kids. Trouble is, my wife never grew up with motorcycles and reluctantly supports my ownership of one lowly dirt bike. So I need to get the kids started cheap and safe. Electric is probably the best since they could ride around the neighborhood and not spook the suburbanites. Oset would be the best but for a first bike is too expensive, even used. How about those Razor MX350/400/500 thingys? Are they good enough to learn balance, basic controls and get their feet wet while showing Mrs. JDUB they wont be dismembered upon impact?? Target audience would be 8 and 6 year-old boys. This would be a 1-2 year "proof of concept" before moving on to greater (gas-powered) things.

    I envy the families that have bi-lateral support of motorsport.

    Thanks,

    JDUB
  2. MountainsandRivers

    MountainsandRivers loves dirty things!

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    It's been a bit of a battle on my side as well, but she has accepted that our motorized stuff is "our" time. She generally doesn't like the cost, but buying kids stuff used, it doesn't cost much, occasional tires, battery, basic maintenance, and I resell them for about the same price we paid. Think $600 CRF 50 to start.
    Good luck!
  3. Basinburn

    Basinburn Been here awhile

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    I hear you on the wife thing. I'm in the same boat she's not into it but supports dad and my Son 12 and daughter 10. I started them at 5 and 7 on 50cc quads. for one season each on the quad. That taught them the basics throttle/brake/stay to the right on trails/etc. Sold the quads and have two wheel ever since. IMO quads and kids don't mix well. The initial purchase$$ is the toughest for the motos. But I have bought offseason and sold in the spring and for the most part have not had to invest much more into. Most of the time buy used gear as they grow out of it to so damn quick. We camp/ride quite a bit off Kenosha pass. Disbursed camping and lots of easy trails. Would love to hook up with like minded this spring/summer for that type of family riding.
    Dan
  4. DC950

    DC950 Microadventurer

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    my wife never really had a problem with our kids riding. I'm sure she was worried but she knows I'm competent and careful.

    My oldest isn't riding at the moment but the youngest is.
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    This was his first ride at 4 years old.

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    The brothers, almost 5 and 8.

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    Age 5 or 6.

    His brother raced the 50 a fair bit. The youngest only had one race. Did pretty good too. There's pictures somewhere.

    Riding was something that was fun - once they actually got to where we were going to ride - and if the little Suzuki ran. The process of getting them there was a PITA, mostly because they weren't that motivated to ride. It was almost always my idea to go so you know what that means. School, soccer, and especially baseball took up our free time. They both played baseball in another city, I coached, and I also played in an over 40 league on Sunday's for a few years. So for many years, we only rode together occasionally. Sometimes a year or two woould go by between rides.

    He took over his brother's KTM 65 and we had some fun with that. His brother rode it only twice. Learning to shift was a big deal. Last year at 15, we moved to New Mexico.

    Southern NM is about as different terrain wise as you can get from West Tennessee. Other than some gravel and along sand bars, I rode over exactly one rock in years of racing and riding in the woods there. And that was sandstone. There are plenty of rocks in AR and Middle TN, but those are generally stuck in the ground, unlike out here where everything is loose. I was pretty unsure about how he would adapt from trees and mud to sand and rocks.

    Here you can get your full motorcycle license at 14 (or 15). We live where he could ride to school - 3.5 miles, a left, a right, and a left into the parking lot. He thought that would be a good idea so we looked for a bike and signed up for the MSF class.

    I used to be a Rider Coach so I made sure we went over everything together. He missed one question on the written exam but aced the riding test, the only student to do so. He was stoked about that and it proves that if you start something young, you retain the skills (he's a hell of a bicycle rider too; he was barely 4 when he was off training wheels).

    We got this for $1300:

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    It was like it had been in a time capsule. More to come.
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  5. Proettermann

    Proettermann The Mule

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    Here is how I eased my wife into the idea of our son riding at the age of 5: We enjoy going on walks. Everything in suburbia is paved. Kid hated to walk with us. What to do? Bought a new Razor MX350 (read: gateway drug). He loved it. We could walk endlessly. Pedestrians did not care about him on the sidewalk, and hiking paths - it was nearly silent, and "cute":

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    I wanted to take him to the track, but did not want to spring for a bike if he was not sold on riding. So I signed him up for a one day MSF Kids Dirt Bike course at Watkins. The instructors Kathy and Michael did an awesome job, and he learned to start, ride and shift a Honda XR70:

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    Obviously he wanted more after that. So we bought full protective gear, and an aging Yamaha TTR90. Perfect learner bike for a taller kid:

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    Be warned: the second you start riding track it sucks you in. It is a community, and it is magnetic. We made friends with other families whose kids were racing, suddenly the TTR90 took jumps higher than it was designed for, and we needed a fully blown track bike. Sold the TTR90, bought a Cobra CX50 SR, and started to race:

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    Well and from there it grows. Kid enjoys racing, kid grows, eventually kid will be too old (and too tall) to ride 50cc two strokes in AMA sanctioned races, and you step up. Santa was good to him and he got a dealer leftover 65 SX from a previous year. Teaching to shift was easier than I had anticipated. He already knew the foot shifter from the TTR90. We had practiced shifting with a clutch in theory by sitting on my bike and going through the motions. We had rehearsed scenarios: what do you do if you want to stop your bike, or explain how to start a clutch bike, and so forth. It took him about 15 minutes and then he wanted to ride it on the track. And so he did. This image is 30 minutes into the first ride on his 65:

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    To conclude: don't force it, your kid will tell you when he/she is ready for the next step. Connect with a community of similar interest, things are better done together, kids love learning from other kids. Don't skimp on protective gear. Have fun out there!
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  6. MaParkerColo

    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    Couldn’t agree more with the advice above! The electric toy idea to get her used to them on two wheels might be a good ice-breaker, but when they are ready it is almost impossible to beat an XR50/CRF50.

    I started mine off at 5 on an XR50 then, since I had two on 50s at the same time picked up a TTR50 (electric start is great for Dad with the younger riders who can’t kick them over themselves yet.). I them picked up an XR70 as the next step, and an XR100 as the big kid/early teen bike...technically it was for my wife, but she thought it was too tall and adopted the 70 as her own! I guess it’s fine since she is tiny and very light! At she she is riding:clap

    On the previous page is a pic of the whole family riding South of Kenosha pass last summer, left to right ages 6, 8, err 29 I think she is claiming? Plus or minus a dozen years :D and my 14 year old on the right. A week up in that area is great for three boys!

    If you think you are ready, I have a nicely sorted XR50 that I was going to sell this spring. It is on the far left in the pic.

    Good luck!
  7. modette

    modette TrailTaker.com

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    Last summer in TN
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  8. Deano955

    Deano955 Insatiable

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    Very cute! I miss the days when my boys' helmets were as big as their torsos.
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  9. Proettermann

    Proettermann The Mule

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    Kids got in another good practice yesterday, before the snow. I am on team mechanic and press officer duty until my fractured thumb is mended.


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    Fourth time on his new 65 only, he is sending it:


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    "Dad, look at me."


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    "Well done, everybody..."


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  10. modette

    modette TrailTaker.com

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  11. MaParkerColo

    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    :clapGreat job Dad! My youngest is on a TTR50 as well...very nice that Dad does not have to kick start it for them

    Penrose was the first place I took my little guys too. Fun place for them and can be fun for us if you get on the right loops while they are taking a break.
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  12. modette

    modette TrailTaker.com

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    I'll probably work on the bikes tomorrow one thing being taking the training wheels off, she flipped because she was relying on them and was doing donuts and learned not wise to do with training wheels as it caught a bump and catapulted her. After a cry, she got back on and rode for a bit more before we headed back. Trying to get Mom to go next time, that way I can split and do a quick hard loop. Also thinking of buying a trials bike just to play on the rocks and stuff while she is cruising around.
  13. beaterktm

    beaterktm Been here awhile

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    Thank you he is 8 yrs old


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  14. beaterktm

    beaterktm Been here awhile

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    We have been doing a lot of bmx. Great alternative to dirtbikes. We have lost a lot of riding areas in Florida.






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  15. MaParkerColo

    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    It’s great when they climb back on and start smiling again.

    Yep, my middle son still has some bad habits he developed from the training wheels. They are great b/c the heavy, hot, scary bike typically can’t fall on them, BUT they learn to rely on them rather than proper technique.

    My trick was to get Mom on her own bike...but last summer she ended up riding an ATV more. Either way she was with us:clap

    Always wanted to try a tails bike myself.

    Best,
    Mark
  16. modette

    modette TrailTaker.com

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    LOL about Mom. My wife does ride, she rides sport naked bikes and has zero interest off-road. She is talking about getting another street bike. I'm considering getting a SxS so the daughter and I can go hit trails during the summer around the country when she is out of school.
  17. MaParkerColo

    MaParkerColo Been here awhile

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    Some states will license those SXS's which expands your possibilities....
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    beaterktm Been here awhile

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  19. DC950

    DC950 Microadventurer

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    so we got the time machine DRZ (7400 miles), added some Double Takes and a skid plate. He and I rode together all over the dirt roads in the neighborhood. He would follow me to school then I'd follow him. After a couple of weeks of this, he started riding to and from school by himself.

    He loves it.

    At least once a month he and friends organize a ride and go somewhere. They are all on 140-150 air cooled 4 strokes with one kid on a 125 two stroke. My kid is always complaining about two things: 1) his bike is hard to pick up; 2) they can't keep up with him. Truth be told, he is hard to keep up with in a straight line and since he hates picking it up, almost never falls.

    We've done several rides since Christmas.

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    First off road flat.

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    The easy part of Box Canyon. My short cut turned into 3 very hard miles in a dry wash. There was no way to get back up the rocks we rode down so we had to keep going. We didn't get out till after dark.

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    Out riding with two friends of mine. Despite being on the smallest and oldest bike, he had no issues keeping up on a 102 mile ride. The little DR is way smoother on the freeway than my KTM.
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  20. Proettermann

    Proettermann The Mule

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    What a rad wheelie for a kid. Great job. Also: I am happy your son's "stretchy pants" have the same holes in the same location as my son. Cannot keep a pair of pants without adding a vent after two uses...