Adventure in Ohio?

Discussion in 'Central – From Da Nort Woods to the Plane States' started by somecallmetim, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. ruppster

    ruppster Long timer

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    Electric start 94 DR350? I'd guess it would do a "little" better off road than my KLR650, only looks to weigh 1/2 as much, how bad are they on the highway? I've done some reading and guys make them sound more desirable than a DRZ, any of y'all have experience on both?
    I've been looking at/for WR250Rs, but wondering if a little larger bike would be a better fit.
  2. z@ch

    z@ch Turn it up to eleven

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    My previous bike was a DR350 and it was replaced by a WR250.

    My DR was the dirt model (kick only, better carb than the e-start) and had more low end grunt than the WR. Good bike for sure, but very outdated. Suspension needs major work to be a really good dual sport.

    Bottom line, is a used WR $2000 better than a used DR? You bet. But the DR isn't a POS.
  3. Danjal

    Danjal Insert wit here.

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    Pretty much the same thing I said a bit back. Now the question is... how to get it all? Im figuring start light and add on. Little more fuel,more oil capacity. The rest is mechanical. If the motor isn't up to the task, then swap it or move on to other options. Im not one to be content with something unless its what I want. If nobody makes it, I'll build it. Which opens another can of worms up.. theres no reason to build a DR650 into a 10k machine that performs every bit as good as a KTM thats cheaper from the start.

    So at the moment its trial and error.

    The DR is a good bike. Very low maintenence, does dirt, does street. Its good on both, just not amazing. Ive just been pampered by full MX bikes and full street bikes. I know I wont have both in any platform, but having an enjoyable platform in both can be upgraded to better without sacrificing the other in some cases. My suspension sucked for both. Some valves and springs later its better for both. From here.. Its one way or the other. I left it too soft for street, too firm for off road. Not bad by any means, and TONS better than what it was, but either needs a bit of work to be perfect for that end of the spectrum. The same for gearing or power delivery. 15/42 gearing is too low for street IMO, and too high for dirt. Just a bit for each though, once again, im in the middle yet still tolerable. The FCR added tons of grunt down low, coupled with new on road manners and more torque for technical riding that I didnt have before, better overall. Could add in a 790 kit to enhance it. More torque doesnt hurt unless you cant control it. Off road could suffer from too much if I cant keep the wrist under control, street could greatly improve with the same drawback though. Back to trial and error there. Theres also limitations on the platform itself. The CDI is limited to about 7500 revs... meaning I couldnt ever build it for top end out of the motor. Something like a KTM that spins up to 10k... I could drop and raise the powerband all I wanted to for that mix that suited me best, so im a bit more limited. As is.. no real issue, just wish she had more Rs to string it out a bit more like the inline 4's im used to.

    Forks can be cross platformed, engines can be stuffed in, welders, mills, and other tools can make stuff fit. Just to what price is it justified though. And at what point does it end up worse? Back to the trial and error bit I guess.
  4. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    If money is no object, then it's not impossible to get pretty close to a "do all".

    I'd opt for the WR450 with some serious suspension and comfort mods before the Berg tho, if for no other reason than the aftermarket will be easier to come buy, cheaper, and the 5-valve WR is waaaay more robust. I think by the time you really invest in making the WR450 a super-adventure machine, you'd still be under the initial buy in of the Husaberg, and that savings will extend out over the course of ownership as I'd almost guarantee you'll be throwing less money at the Yammie than the Hoosa.

    Plus, you can do this to a 450 with a little cash...and then you're talking some serious adventure legs that isn't really out there for the 570 that I'm aware of.

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  5. Danjal

    Danjal Insert wit here.

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    I looked at them. Still looking though, as is seems I'll be favoring the honda over the yamma though. Namely for the SOHC motor in the 450x/04-08 450r with divided oil reserves.. less money to rebuild the upper and less chance of damage if stuff does scatter. Id rather the x for the WR tranny too.

    Im still in the middle of making a list for suitable "Could work" platforms. Still need to check price or ease of DIY mods. Im handy with machines like lathes, welders, etc, so making it isnt a problem.. just mostly easier to buy or cheaper in cases.

    The reason for working up off a more MX platform.. its normally easier to add weight than it is to lose it. Reenforce the frame, change to steel subframes etc.. all viable options if the rest works out. In the case of the berg.. if the frame is the weak point.. might have to move on unless I can remedy it somehow.

    Aftermarket is always great too. That was one of the main points for using the DR650 as my starter platform for my MK1 "Do all" bike. More than the honda or the Kiwi, and more options of what I was wanting or saw it needed. I can 790cc mine.. they're at 725cc unless I sleeve the cylinder on an xr and source a piston the deal with all the balancing issues etc.. easier to already have it done. Score another point for the Dr there vs the rest. Its working out, and its still in progress. Once its done I'll run the numbers again and move on or stick with it and begrudgingly accept it as close as I can get to my perfect model.

    Nice setup wr BTW.
  6. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    He told me last week about you 3 meeting Bob. I turned that bike down when I test rode it back when it was new. Then he put it up for sale and when I went back to buy it, had changed his mind. Then one day he saw me riding down at crow and I asked what he was going to do with it. I finally got it.
  7. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    I'd personally feel better using a de-tuned motor like an XR400 or XR650 (liquid cooled) over a race motor. Horsepower only gets people in trouble and bigger usually means heavier. I don't mind kicking over a thumper if it's a reliable starter like an XR400 or even my 640 that I had to kick over during my Michigan trip due to a broken spring in the starters sprague clutch. Plus when HP goes up, reliability goes down and who wants to drop a valve when banjo music is in the air?

    I do have a strange fetish of building a KTM500 2 stroke Dual sport. I raced one of the last animals KTM made and that thing made more horse power than common sense for a 250 lb bike.

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  8. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    It's fun, I built a '73 through '79 TL,CB,XR,XL,CR 100 through 185 Trials bike out of a bunch of junk yard bikes. Taught a couple people how to ride on it and did a trials event on it and used to do the follow on the parade lap at our clubs races on it too.

    My current project is a FT500 Ascot dirt tracker for gravel road mischief, I have it apart and no time to finish it.
  9. rxcrider

    rxcrider Long timer

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    rxcrider Long timer

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    A KTM 640 would be my first choice for a do it all, but the XR650R can work and I think someone makes a e-start kit for it - baja designs maybe?

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308529
  11. MeefZah

    MeefZah Curmudgeonly

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    Good ride. 470 miles for me. Mike and I got a little sporty on 260 after everyone else went home.
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    MeefZah Curmudgeonly

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  13. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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  14. Gonzo_Matt

    Gonzo_Matt Random Hero

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    I don't think there is one do it all bike for Ohio. If I were to pick just one bike for trails, gravel, street, and adventure type riding, it would be a WRR, KLX 250, XR 250-400, or DR 350. Mainly because they all have long maintenance intervals, excellent dealer network are capable of highway speeds, can carry a 180 pound rider and supplies for a week on the road, are sub 300 pounds, and have a decent ability on the trail. Obliviously, they WRR is the first choice just because it isn't so dated.

    The high zoot enduro/MX bikes (KTM, Husaberg) are a damn good time, but I'd rather spend my limited spare time riding than worrying about changing oil and adjusting valves. That said, I'm keeping mine around for the time being for those trips to Perry or the 200 mile trail/gravel work days. I'll probably eventually replace it with a CRF 250 something, or a WR250 something.
  15. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    I hope you don't believe everything you read, my buddies 07 crf250 is still in spec and my 08 250xcf is too with 83 hours of MX, scrambles, ds and trails on the meter, same motor as the SX. My TE410 was the same way.

    MXrs and people who bounce off the rev limiters are why you hear this bs. They may not be XRs but modern thumpers aren't that bad. My 950 went 40k before a valve needed love.

    If I believed it, I'd never had 3 of the best bikes I ever owned.

    Oil capacity on some bikes though is pretty small.
  16. BOB RAMSAY

    BOB RAMSAY Not in the Clique -

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    Gonzo_Matt Random Hero

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    I'm not saying that the KTM is going to explode if you don't adjust the valves every 40 feet, but they don't have the 26k interval the WRR does. I've read the stories about the guys with 20k on RFS engines, but having to change the oil every ride would get to be a drag. My 450 RFS only holds 1.2 quarts, you can't tell me that little bit of oil can stay clean and retain it's lubricating qualities for more than 15 or so hours. Not to mention every other oil change comes with changing/cleaning 2 filters and dropping the skid plate.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my Katoom, it's a marvel of engineering, and a blast to ride, but if it was my only bike, I would be riding a lot less than I do.
  18. Danjal

    Danjal Insert wit here.

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    Which is precisely why Im including maintenance for a do all platform.
  19. buildit

    buildit Guns, bikes and Bows

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    You own it! The KLR650 is the do it all bike for Ohio. It won't do it all well but mine has done it all I think. :lol3
  20. GregsBro

    GregsBro a.k.a. Scott

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    You got it neighbor.