Adventure in Ohio?

Discussion in 'Central – From Da Nort Woods to the Plane States' started by somecallmetim, Nov 14, 2003.

  1. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    So why not put USD forks and a FCR on a stock framed XR400?

    I have never owned an aluminum framed bike so I have no clue what the draw is. The CRF's I've ridden have never given me that "I need a recycled beer can for a frame" feeling.

    Should have never sold my XR400
  2. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    It's a better bike, I think we all know that, so I asked you why you hadn't considered it. You answered cost and availability. Both were easily addressed.

    I can't help ya with wanting to be different. You should buy a Beta RR if that's your thing...cause they are red, awesome bikes, and nobody has one round these parts.
  3. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    Same as with a mountain bike...flex and weight (although the weight thing is theoretical...can easily be just as heavy). Not as important as the suspension, but I like the rigidity for offroad.

    Plus the CRF frame gives you easy options for top-shelf suspension front and back, and all the trick parts that go along with it.

    Sort of the same idea as the CRF500 Service Honda's...but with a big reliable airhead instead of the smoker power plant.

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  4. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    Flex? Have you even ridden the last generation XR's? (96+) I put 3 years on a 97 400 and a 99 250 and flex was never an issue, even for my 200 pound ass and that was racing, not trail riding.

    Drew Smith at Works Enduro Rider will suspend that XR so nicely, you'll go faster longer.
  5. MeefZah

    MeefZah Curmudgeonly

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    Ain't no convincing, I don't think anyone here cares what you get or don't get.

    By your own admission you feel the WR is a superior bike to the Honda, cost is the only factor. Owners are telling you that there are used ones available and the cost of a good used one is going to be lower right out of the gate that a new Honda.

    If there are none local, hell, look elsewhere. Ohio is close to everything, and I'd even be willing to make a road trip on your behalf and trailer something back for you if you don't have the time to do it.

    Alan's used WR was $2200, mine was $3400, a few other people have listed prices between $3000 - 4000. A quick look on wrrforum shows several in the $3-4k range, granted, in NC, SC, and other states.
  6. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    All steel frames flex, whether or not you feel it is neither here nor there. A well designed frame flexes in accordance with the suspension, minimally, and feels planted; a poorly designed frame flexes and opposes the suspension, and that is an ill-handling bike or one whose suspension will be harder to manage or to feel consistent.

    The XR's frame is a probably a decent one, but all things being equal and drawing up a dream bike, I'd prefer aluminum for the isolation of the suspension and the reasons I stated - easier/better parts and top-shelf stuff rather than grafting stuff on to the XR's frame.

    It's all hypothetical anyway, but there's a reason aluminum is used in offroad bikes.

    You can prefer steel frames, companies and riders do, everything's a compromise...and a personal choice.
  7. Whitey1

    Whitey1 "Whitebread"

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    250's are for pussies or 90lb women.
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  9. rxcrider

    rxcrider Long timer

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    so which one am I?

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  10. Solace

    Solace Been here awhile

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    That's a cool old Husqvarna.

    Later,
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  11. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    A poser, your helmet doesn't even match your bike or gear :D



    So when we riding? I should be good for Sunday
  12. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    How about a 90 kilo man?


    ok, I am what I eat, I'm a pussy
  13. GailCallsMeKarl

    GailCallsMeKarl Squirrel w/ no nuts

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    Whitey, MGorman, you're killing me down here.


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  14. rxcrider

    rxcrider Long timer

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    where / when?
  15. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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  16. buildit

    buildit Guns, bikes and Bows

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    That's classic GCMK! :clap

    But obviously he needs to take it back to the dealer.:deal

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  17. swingset

    swingset Got the knack.

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    Originally Posted by swingset [​IMG]
    All frames flex, whether or not you feel it is neither here nor there. A well designed frame flexes in accordance with the suspension, minimally, and feels planted; a poorly designed frame flexes and opposes the suspension, and that is an ill-handling bike or one whose suspension will be harder to manage or to feel consistent. This is true for Aluminum and Steel frames.

    It's all hypothetical anyway, but there's got to be a reason aluminum is used in Japanese offroad bikes.

    All things being equal, thickness of material, the steel typically used in motorcycle frames flexes more than aluminum. So, all things being equal Al flex is more rigid or more specifically the flex is more controlled...and I think that's the benefit for the manufacturer, among other things. There's a good article in MX Action I read discussing why and how the Japanese use aluminum and continue to improve it.

    In many instances, flex is used to tune the chassis and even incorporated into both steel and aluminum designs (this is especially true in road-racing bikes). But it complicates offroad where the lighter, skinnier and taller frames on long suspensions see torsion and force from many different directions while being expected to track and feel "true". Al works very well in that regard, especially when you don't have to stick to one thickness. It's easier when you're hyrdoforming aluminum to make thick/thin areas than steel, where you can more easily "tune" the frame for desirable characteristics than you can with steel. The Japanese feel it's a better platform on which to develop chassis'.

    Most people who ride the same bike (like opposing steel/al framed WR450's) with different chassis have a preference one way or the other.

    There's no "right" or "better", really, there's different and if I'm going to make a dream bike that will never happen, I'll never build, nor will anyone else....I'll take an aluminum frame. Anyone who disagrees with my choice can have steel, or magnesium, or make it out of unicorn bones, and that's ok too.
  18. mgorman

    mgorman Crashing since 1964

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    I'll see what I can find
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    MeefZah Curmudgeonly

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    Would anyone be interested in buying or trading for a pair of Happy Trails Teton Panniers, 9.5" models, black powdercoat? Include the pucks and all hardware to mount to the rack, but not the rack itself... although I do have a rack currently on Meredith's Strom that probably won't get used anymore so possibly the bags and rack for a pre-2011 650 Strom...

    I was gonna use them on the Yamaha but the straight backwall boxes look like rape on the left side of the bike where the exhaust is. I'm more of a minimalist anyway so I can really make do with just a decent sized duffel bag strapped to the rack.

    Not sure of a price, really. Offers entertained. New the whole ensemble was around $600 and that was on sale.

    Things I suppose I might want would include Wolfman waterproof duffel bag/s, a MotoFizz - Aerostich bag, moto gear in an XL top or 38" x 32" bottoms, XL hi viz helmet, that sort of thing....

    :ear

    This is a sorta recent shot with them, they currently are destickered and have a reflective triangle pattern on the sides and back (not shown).

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  20. rxcrider

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