Aerostich R3 Made in Vietnam??

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  1. YIDDISH COWBOY

    YIDDISH COWBOY Stuntman

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    Anyone else have an R3? Are they all made in Vietnam? I've stuck with aerostich over the years largely because they are a small-ish US-based company that makes quality products. Now I get a new suit and see that its manufacture has been outsourced to Asia.

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  2. usgser

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    If you're uncomfortable just return it. Otherwise wear it. Only gear I had that was made in Nam was a roll-duffle for frequent air/work travel. It held up excellent. Just cause it's made in Asia doesn't mean it's bad. The bad stuff we all hate is generally do to the company not overseeing the product they outsourced. If they accept crap because of cost, they'll get crap but if they hold the manufacturer to required specs the asians can run a sewing machine as well as anybody.
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    Call and ask Aerostich why they outsourced R3 production to Vietnam. Please post their response.
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  4. Dracula

    Dracula Comfortably bored

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    I have one. Where does it say it's made in Vietnam?
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    Things are made in Vietnam because they have lower labor costs than China.... When I was there I could walk into any store in Hanoi and buy name-brand high-end outdoor clothing (e.g., Patagonia) for pennies on the dollar (e.g., coat that is <$300 here was $20 there). You want it made in the USA (where the per capita income is roughly 10X higher than it is in Vietnam ($58,000 vs 6,400)), but do you want to pay 10x more retail?
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  6. YIDDISH COWBOY

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    Fellas,

    I'm not looking for a lecture on capitalism and economics or a discussion of "_____ can make quality items". Aerostich touts itself as an American and American made company. On the webpage for the R3, R3 Light and Roadcrafter, immediately below the photos of the suit is a video titled "MADE IN AMERICA". It's a bait and switch. If it's so much cheaper to make in Vietnam, why aren't they passing those savings on to us the customer in the form of lower prices (I don't expect them to)?. Instead they work to increase their profits. Again, that's totally fine but don't gaslight us about it.

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    Inside the chest pocket.
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  8. JeepDawg

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    Here's an article from 2011 talking specifically about Transit it appears. So it must not be a new thing? I'm awaiting delivery of a Darien before christmas and i have to say it would be a little disappointing if it was also imported - and i say that for the same reasons OP asked, not that there is anything wrong with importing products, but thats not how Aerostitch advertises. Also i could not find the Vietnam on their website when i just poked around searching and looking.

    "The Minnesota-based company used experience gained in 26 years of building the most innovative, easy-to-use and comfortable riding suit available, the legendary, Cordura-based Roadcrafter, and other garments in its extensive catalog, to make the Transit its flagship suit for the early 21st century. Beautifully detailed, ruggedly constructed and fully equipped, the Transit suit was designed in the U.S. and made in Vietnam under strict quality standards. The jacket is of medium length and styling is straightforward."

    https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2011/03/29/aerostich-transit-motorcycle-suit-review/
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  9. GB

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    Transit water proof leather jacket and pants were discontinued a few years ago. My Roadcrafter Classic is made in the USA.

    p.s. upon closer examination, look at the Description it says US and Imported. (It shows a US flag and imported, whereas the Roadcrafter Classic only shows a US flag. So some suits are made here and there and some just here. Have a look:

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    Mine says "Made in the USA". I ordered it last year, in October.
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  11. Macho Man2

    Macho Man2 Been here awhile

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    I have a Roadcrafter Classic made in 2002 and a Roadcrafter R-3 made in 2016 and both say made in USA!!
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  12. OlyRider

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    My Transit jacket was all well-made as any I've owned. Even compared with my Portland, OR made Langlitz. Which is really saying something. Andrew at Mosko Moto thinks very highly of the production skills and equipment in use there. Go to Vendors and ask him, if you'd like.

    I do have a problem if Aerostich is misleading people in their catalog or advertising. Don't know if it's true, but it would be disappointing if it is.

    I went in an REI store a few months ago. They have a "lot" of Yeti stuff. On the shelf displaying the stainless steel beer coozies, there was a corporate-printed ad made to look like a one-off and hand-written index card. Very clever! It said "Made in the USA" I picked one up to turn it upside down and look at the price. It said $25.00. Underneath that, it said MADE IN CHINA. I pleasantly complained to two different millenials working there. I got the "stupid geezer" look. Next time I went in, the signs were still there. I realized they didn't care, so I didn't. Just lost some of my respect for them.
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    R-3, made in USA, in Jan. 2015.
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    OP , what you have is NOT R-3, but Roadcrafter light, which were produced at around 2011, 2012, and, yes, they were made overseas.
    (in Vietnam.)

    Here's an old article.
    http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2011/05/aerostich-roadcrafter-light-on-the-way/

    R-3 is different from "light", which was introduced 2014. At around the same time, Aerostich stopped making Roadcrafter overseas.
    Did you buy your suit from eBay, or CL ? If it was advertised as "Roadcrafter R-3", you should contact the seller 'cause it isn't.

    Since the introduction of R-3 in 2014, all Roadcrafter suits are made in Duluth, MN, US of A.
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  15. YIDDISH COWBOY

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    Very interesting. I think that must be it.
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    OP

    Check your suit, to see if it has ....

    1. Magnetic clasp collar
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    2. 2-way zipper on the back vent

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    3. 2-position snap down collar

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    4. Hidden pass-through port for electric power line

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    5.Mini carabiner on chest pocket

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    6. YKK waterproof zipper NOT riri zipper

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    7. on R-3, hook & loop on the legs are angled.

    R-3
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    Old style
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    8. R-3 has new / better designed storm flap (rain gutter)

    I'm pretty sure you got one of those "light" that were produced only in a few years (oversea made).

    For those who are waiting for their orders, who are considering to buy Aerostich stuff, don't worry about that.
    BUT, those who are going to purchase Roadcrafter on eBay and CL, be careful. Apparently, there are some people who don't know the difference between the models.
    If the suit is advertised as "R-3", check the details above before you pay.
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    I had an ultralight (which they don't sell any more) that was made in vietnam. It had the same features as the R3 although I'm pretty sure the zippers were not ykk. I suppose the early R3s had the riri zippers as the switch to ykk was fairly recent (I had riri zippers put into my 2006 suit, those failed and I sent it back for warranty replacement and it had ykk zippers then).
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  18. Doug Just Doug

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    RWH/Aerostich has manufactured several items overseas over the years; some of those products eventually returned to being made in Duluth. The Transit had to be made in Viet Nam because it was the sole Goretex-approved manufacturing line for the Pro Shell G-T leather. Andy Goldfine was working on getting a GT-approved line in the US without success. IIRC, the AD-1 was for a time made overseas, too. As far as I can tell, anything it manufactures overseas is subject to similar QC scrutiny as if it were made by RWH employees in MN. Anytime there's a question about Aerostich's manufacturing or motives, I've found that Andy G. will gladly and forthrightly respond.
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  19. YIDDISH COWBOY

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    Update: Aerostich confirms they currently DO manufacture suits in Vietnam. Screen Shot 2017-12-08 at 12.13.52.png
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    I get the 'bait & switch' perspective-- that's always going to be a burr under the blanket and it's understandable. It's an Inconvenient Truth that suppliers will take advantage of the poorer country's standard of living, even long-respected producers like RWH

    As a data point on VN-made premium goods though, i can attest that a few of my Klim items are VN production and are as good or better than the Klim China-sourced stuff. Stitching, assembly, materials/zips etc = superb.

    I believe the Mosko-Moto startup guys got their popular line off the ground with w strict QC oversight in a VN shop as well.
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