AF-XIED no longer for the the LC?

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by Smoke Eater 3, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. Smoke Eater 3

    Smoke Eater 3 Long timer

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    I saw this on the Nightrider site. Mine still seems to be working correctly. I’m a little confused by this.

    Use of the BMW AFXIED is no longer recommended for 2014 and later liquid cooled R1200. Field updates to the ECM by BMW Dealers during routine service department visits are creating incompatibility between the ECM and the AFXIED.
    The field upgrade was something beyond our control, with no know issues prior to the new ECM load occurring in late 2016. With the field upgrade slowly propagating the change, the situation was not discovered until early 2017. This resulted in our de-certification of the R1200 LC models.
    We are in the process of developing an updated AFXIED for these bikes. Release date to be announced at a future time.
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  2. One MO Rider

    One MO Rider Adventurer

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    If you check out Roger’s long thread about this situation, Nightrider is close to a fix, which will likely be an in-line module. I am using the G code version and I have had a few codes thrown. I reset with GS911 when it feels like something is different. Bit of a pain for now, but still worth it. I would probably hold off until the fix is out however since he is close.
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  3. Snks

    Snks Been here awhile

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    Hum my 16’ still appears to be working fine. It just had the recall from the forks done at the dealer. Hopefully it didn’t trigger anything else. Please keep us updated.
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  4. JetSpeed

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    The dealer probably didn't connect your bike to the computer and complete any software updates, I would keep it that way until they come up with a solution for the AF-XIED.
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  5. filterwrench

    filterwrench Been here awhile

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    I doubt that a permanent fix is going to be possible. Every time you get your ecm hooked up to a dealers bmw computer an udated code will be installed negating the secondary module until it is also updated for the new code. I,m bettin the fix is to not get your ecm updated once you have the xieds working. Tough call for the warrenty thou.
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  6. SidewinderX

    SidewinderX Hey, watch this!

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    The official fix has been created and is currently in testing. Via nightriders email to me a few weeks ago.

    I have not had any software updates so I am fine for now.
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  7. Frank smith

    Frank smith '16 BMW R1200GSA

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    I’ll wait until he finishes the new hardware. I just bought an Akro header but I know I need the xied to help the bike run right.
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  8. myblunt

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    subscribed... I have my AFXIED that I ran on my 2014 (bought in 2015'ish) and then moved it over to my 2017 Rallye. No codes, and my butt feels like it's having a great time, so it appears to be working regardless of that euro 4 compliance nonsense... I had the afxied transplanted on there by the dealer when I took delivery at mile 0, so I haven't really experienced life without it. Best placebo ever if it isn't doing anything, and the 17's are just all that and a bag of chips.
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  10. roger 04 rt

    roger 04 rt Long timer

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    BMW added an O2 sensor test about 18 months ago that occurs in the moments after the engine is started. There are other tests and checks of the O2 sensor that date back into the 90s. O2 sensor tests are the most important to the ECU because the O2 is the control element for fueling.

    Nightrider’s efforts have been to first determine the nature of the test and then design a work-around. That has been done, tested and now is being put into pre-production for a further round of testing. As I learn more I will try to keep the vendor thread up to date.
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  11. Smoke Eater 3

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    Thanks Roger.
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  12. filterwrench

    filterwrench Been here awhile

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    That is great news as I really like the the ride ability of the GS with a richer fuel mixture. Hopefully BMW leaves the sensor test alone for a while. the newer ECUs are obviously EEPROM and can be altered at any time if connected to a computer that can communicate with them. Would be nice to know when the ECUs became EEPROM capable. There was a significant upgrade with the ECUs at the time shift assistant pro came about sometime in 2014. They either became EEPROM capable at that time ( if they were not already) or a significant amount of memory was added to make it possible to change/add the 02 start tests from a computer.
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  13. Gompie

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    Looks like BMW has implemented a check before the engine fires to see if O2 value is within an expected range. I don't think BMW has changed strategy, it's still looking for short term trims, and move them into long term trims
    If this is correct, and there's a fix, I think that fix can be used more smartly to use AF-Xied only when needed.
    But having said that, seems now easier to use a smart input on the intake temp sensor. I'm not into electronics, but with Arduino etc? Just drop intake temp input upon acceleration?
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  14. GeorgeKingGeorge

    GeorgeKingGeorge Been here awhile

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    Roger,
    When you get this issue sorted, please let us know what years and/or ECU software version is affected. My 2014 LC is still running fine with some of your first AF-XIEDs for the LC bikes. I’m assuming that my bike is too old for this issue, but it’s concerning if a software update could render your original units obsolete.
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  15. roger 04 rt

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    Hi George,
    Long time ... Although this is Nightrider’s product, I’m doing what I can to help Steve fix it and to communicate status but I don’t know the answer to your question. I don’t have units from Steve yet but should fairly soon. Interestingly, my 2017 LC’s software didn’t get updated when I went in for the 600 mile service.

    We could all help to “triangulate” an answer to your question if those with XIEDs and GS-911s started a thread in the Vendor section, with model year, software revision level and status as to errors.
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  16. DRW1001

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    Just got an email from Nightrider. We are ~60 days from a solution. Really looking forward to it. Just in time for my full Remus exhaust :)
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