Africa Twin vs KTM 1090 Adventure R

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Bhart89, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. Bhart89

    Bhart89 Been here awhile

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    Thoughts on comparing the AT to the 1090R? Here in the US the KTM appears to cost about $1k more than the DCT AT. For that extra money you'll get about 25 more HP.

    I'm not sure of the KTM includes the center stand, but crash bars are standard which would need to be added to the AT. Both would need a bash plate.

    I'm 6'4" tall and 250lbs. The KTM has adjustable pegs but I doubt that they will adjust as low as I would like them. The AT has a peg lowering kit available (aftermarket) for about $150 that will lower them 1.5".

    The KTM will be a few pounds lighter.

    I'll be adding heated grips to either bike.
    Does anyone know if their is an aux power outlet on the KTM standard?

    I like that the KTM seat height is 1/2" taller than the AT in the high position.

    I'll be buying in the spring of '17.

    How do you see these two bikes comparing?
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  2. kojack

    kojack AMF!

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    I would pick the Honda hands down....all you have to add is gas, oil filters and tires...the KTM.....The list goes on and on and on and on!
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  3. Bhart89

    Bhart89 Been here awhile

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    I believe that was true with regard to the 1190 (air filter issues etc.) but 'if' those bugs are worked out in the new version it seems you get more off the lot with the KTM.

    The AT will already have a year of known reliability where as the KTM will be more of a gamble.
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  4. kojack

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    I am going by previous experience. Hondas are like sewing machines. Nothing goes wrong besides running out of gas. KTM....Every model, etc has many many little issues that snowball into big issues at the worst possible time. Flick through KTM treads here and 90% of them have photos of the bikes with their engines in pieces etc....flick through Honda thread and you see people adding farkle, or photos of them riding their bikes.

    Again, If I were picking between the two, the AT would win HANDS DOWN!
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    Yep you are right hondas are like sewing machines they are boring !! Just like the tenere the AT does not have enough HP. I have 13k on my 1190r so far and it has been flawless. Yes they have had some air box issues but the 1190s have been a very solid reliable bike. And where are all these threads with 1190 motors torn apart cause I haven't seen any. If It were me I would pick up a left over 1190 there are some really great deals out there right now.
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    Not enough hp for what? How many times during your "adventures" into the great unknown did it required 150hp. Please.
    If you read enough KTM threads you'll see that after about 20k miles people start having issues. That doesn't mean every one, but enough to warrant considerable thought if you actually did do some serious adventure riding.
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    I have 12tkm on my 2015 1190r without any problems so far. KTM changed airbox manufacturer MY2015 and that problem is fixed 2015 onwards, period. I owned very reliable and fun bike about 10 years (GS in my profile picture) but when I changed it to current one, I got whole new extra layer to adventure riding. Based on that experience, I strongly recommend that you arrange a test ride for both bike and then you know which one you want to have a fun!
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    kojack AMF!

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    This is the typical Orange riders response to anyone suggesting anything other than a KTM product. NOT ENOUGH POWER. FOR WHAT? do you always ride like your racing Dakar for camping and travelling? if so, then yes you selected the right bike. If you ride NORMALLY! then the 150 HP is not needed....AT ALL. at least 60% of what goes around my shop is KTM...with catastrophic failures...2 strokes, 4 strokes, ADV, Touring etc....
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    WVhillbilly Long timer

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    Yes they are. Boring and soul less.
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    jdrice Been here awhile

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    No I don't use all the power all the time but it's there when I want it. I had a tenere it bored me after 5k miles. I like bikes that have a soul and that will give me an adrenaline rush.
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    kojack AMF!

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    Its an effing motorcycle.....there is no such thing as boring. I think Hondas etc are LESS boring than the KTMS since the Hondas are never in the shop for more than an oil change or a brake pad replacement....So, if we are getting technical.....the Honda is a WAY less boring machine than the KTM since the katooms are always in the shop for issues!
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  12. Bhart89

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    I like Suzuki (have a DR650 now) but I'm looking for something a little more off capable than the new DL. I want a 21" front wheel and as much ground clearance as I can get with as tall a seat height as I can get (with the lowest weight and price too while I'm dreaming).
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    What adventure type bike do you ride?


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    Look, I can make up bullshit too...

    110% of Honda's are ridden by impotent old men with erectile difficulties. Going between Starbucks locations, detailing sessions in their garage, discussing with their other old man friends about what great resale value their bike has, how good gas mileage it gets, and compensating for their feelings of inadequacy by telling themselves 150hp is just too much.

    Back to reality:

    Test ride both bikes and buy the one that does it for you.
    A DCT equipped bike sounds cool, gets great reviews would be worth a test ride.
    You also might be able to get a 2016 1190R for a reduced price too. I know they have the aux power outlet in the dash and a center stand.
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    Not sure who told you it is "fixed" but I am still seeing threads about it being an issue on the bike.

    110% of Honda's are ridden by impotent old men with erectile difficulties. Going between Starbucks locations, detailing sessions in their garage, discussing with their other old man friends about what great resale value their bike has, how good gas mileage it gets, and compensating for their feelings of inadequacy by telling themselves 150hp is just too much.

    You got that wrong...Those are BMW GS owners. LOL
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    A rider asks for some help and gets the usual my cock is bigger than your cock replies.

    This place is getting more like a kids play ground all the time.

    As some have suggested, get a good ride on each bike and see which one feels better to you.
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    I'd rather be riding an old 250 in the bush then stuck at home with no bike.

    Bikes are a personal choice and some people are very passionate about THEIR CHOICE.

    Enjoy either one.
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    I don't own either bike. I am going by 1. my experience being a mechanic and what flows through mine and other shops….Honda bikes come in for oil changes and the scattered brake job, Ktm comes in for motor work etc. As for my bikes, I like to keep it simple, I had a crf, KLR and versys for my last three bikes. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? NOTHING….exactly.
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    Pantah PJ Fan from Scottsdale

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    The spring of 2017 is a long way off. Things change. For example, I read in the latest BIKE that KTM is coming out with a long travel 1290 with a proper 18/21 inch wheel set like the AT and the old KTM990. That should say something all by itself. Meanwhile they are also introducing a 1090 version that is more tarmac oriented.

    I've had a KTM 950 and I have a 2012 690R. My gripe with KTM is that their motor is always very noisy with a mechanical rattle sound. Plus their power band seems to start too high in the rev range. My Honda AT is the opposite. But like others have said, the motor is pretty docile, which helps on dirt. I won't be using mine in knobby tire conditions, though. Probably 50/50 tire conditions at most.
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