AFX FX-39 DS helmet?

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  1. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Sorry Don, I will look into that later today and reply (going for a DS ride in it....).

    Steve, I do not know for sure, but since it is made by THH, it is probably the same fit as other THH models. The only consideration is to benchmark it against the correct other THH helmet.

    BP
  2. indykwak

    indykwak Been here awhile

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    Thinking of ordering an XL in silver. I've have HJC and a Shoei rf1000 both in XL and was pleased with the fit. I could wear a size L in an rf1000. Wear a 7 5/8ths baseball hat.

    Any suggestions on if I should order an L or XL?

    Thanks,
  3. S2P

    S2P Been here awhile

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    I've edited my original post as it was not quite correct and leading to some confusion in the thread.
    I think that ,this is what is funny about helmets, I wear a 7 1/2 or 5/8 in baseball hats. My current helmets are a Arai Signet in XXL (7 3/4-7 7/8) a Bell Moto 7 3/4. I tried on my kids One Kombat XL (61-62cm) the head is ok but the cheek pads are a little tight. I also measured my head 23 1/2" at the biggest point.I ordered a xxl in the AFX 39 based on the ones I have now, maybe it will be too big. I've since called Atomic Moto to adjust, based on this new information as I believe the xxl will be to big.
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    Aussie Steve Long timer

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    The crux of my question. I am presuming by your response that you dont have other THH helmets to compare?
  5. Abomb

    Abomb Been here awhile

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    By your hat sizing you should be in a large FX-39, but you ordered a XXL?

    Just for reference, I measure at 24 1/8 and ordered an XL. My head swims in it, sending back for a L.
  6. S2P

    S2P Been here awhile

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    I'm rethinking my order, I just went out and tried on 4 helmets I already have at the house. They aren't all mine, I also measured my head got 23 1/2" . I think a xxl,according to the chart is going to be too big. I'll call back Atomic and talk to them based on what I found out. The good thing is the color I want hasn't hit the states yet, so it shouldn't be a problem.
  7. indykwak

    indykwak Been here awhile

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    I just measured. I'm 23 3/4. Now I'm confused, gonna call tomorrow and asking some questions, thinking I might be a large. The AFX website says that 7 5/8 is on the upper end of a large.
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    Two questions:

    1) Current stock
    2) Some of the comments on sizing have me concerned. Currently Shoei in XL fits perfect, and the AFX sizing is the same as Shoei. Thoughts?

    Thanks,
  9. Brtp4

    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Hello NCA.

    As far as current stock, please see this post: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15613371&postcount=128

    I am updating this daily, if not more frequent than that. BTW, silver and Urban Ms are due tomorrow to me.

    On sizing, I am an XL in a Shoei, and an XL in these (though I need thicker cheekpads, which I also need in most other helmets). I don't think resizing from your current size is absolutely required, but I need to study it carefully. Today, I am going to pull liners, measure thickness, and compare specs. I also have to test fit a few people, other than me, across a few helmets. I am also personally calling every customer that we have sold to to make sure they have not upsized (3 have so far, based on their extrapolating the FX37 fit). Reacting will not help anyone, I need to drill down on fit a lot. I like to claim that I know more about what we sell than most, today it is time for me to put up.

    BP
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    Abomb Been here awhile

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    Just for info. I fit an XL Shoei but the XL FX-39 is too big for me, just a thought. Going to a L.

    BP:
    My XL goes in the mail tomorrow. Still looking at the 15th for delivery of white L?
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    Brtp4 Powdercoat it.

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    Thanks for that. Can I ask a question? What is your head measurement? Also, lean shaped jawline, or full cheeks?

    Estimate is still the week of the 18th for the white Ls.

    BP
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    My head measurment is 24 1/8, in between L and XL. I have a square muscular jaw line. The cheek pads were perfect on the 39, no way would I be able to chew gum without bitting my cheeks, just sloppy on the overall size, front to back and side to side of my head. I am an oval head shape.

    Also the chin strap on the XL is WAY to long making it impossible to get it tight enough. Hoping the Large has a much shorter strap. Yes, I adjusted to its smallest sizing.

    The Shoei was a perfect fit, little snug but would break in nicely.

    If the large is to tight no biggie since I can mold the inners to fit.

    I guess I should have errored on the samller size. Oh well.
  13. Brtp4

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    Sorry for the delay in replying. We looked at this in some detail, and I think have a handle on it.

    We checked 7 fit models to do a sizing comparison between the sizes we have in stock. (L, XL, and 2XL). We need to check 10, but it is hard to find folks on short notice, plus, I cannot test any size M wearers because my Ms have not arrived yet. Measured everyone, tested them in multiple helmets, and of course in the FX-39. The goal was to 1. establish a benchmark, 2. get a feel for the AFX fit, 3. become aware fo the specs, and 4. compare 1, 2, and 3. I still need to gather more info, but I want to get something posted up here ASAP.

    The very first thing to is set a benchmark for specs: We looked at specs from four brands that I consider benchmarks: Arai, Bell, HJC, Shoei. All four share the exact same specs. Because of this, I consider these for brands and their specs as the industry standard. AFX should be compared to them, not vice versa.

    On specs, AFX runs a slightly larger size spec than other helmet manufacturers. The spec for each size is 1 cm larger than a comparable size from another mfg. Please note:

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    The AFX helmets match their spec chart.
    Example: my head measures 24.25". I am an XL in almost every other brand, and squarely in their XL spec. On the AFX, I am in the gray zone between L and XL. I initially got an AFX in size XL, and I thought it felt correct (partially because I had the hots for one and did not have any size Ls). Despite the fact that I should know better, after trying on an L, I probably should have gotten that size instead. It feels a little tight, but will probably pack in. One thing, my hair was quite long when I got it, but am now completely buzzed.

    There is a difference in fit, and for our customers it is necessary to put some definition on it. We feel it is NOT a full size and people should NOT upsize +1 (can't say this enough) but instead equates to roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of a size. We came up with a simple model to reach this recommendation, here it is:

    Example 1: a Large is 60 - 61 cm, an XL is 62 - 63 cm, and a 2XL is 64 - 65 cm. If we assume the size chart is a meaningful tool, this means the range for an XL is theoretically from the upper border of an L (61 cm) to the lower border of a 2XL (64 cm). So, a 3 cm range; OR:

    Example 2: a Large is 60 - 61 cm, an XL is 62 - 63 cm, and a 2XL is 64 - 65 cm. Being more conservative, the range for an XL would be from the MIDPOINT in between sizes (L ends at 61, XL starts at 62, so midpoint is 61.5) to the midpoint in between next two sizes (XL ends at 63, 2XL starts at 64, so midpoint is 63.5). So, a 2 cm range.

    Because the spec chart seems to be accurate, and the helmets match it, we can use the specs themselves to assign some sort of quantitative description to the difference in size. So:

    Since the difference in spec is 1 cm, and the range is EITHER 2 cm or 3 cm, we consider the helmets to be approximately 1/2 to 1/3 size larger than the industry standard.

    Definition needs to be used to exclude some anecdotal fit comments. Everyone on here generally, genuinely, tries to help other people with product info. But, anecdotal feedback is sometimes misleading, and that feedback needs to be identified (and done so politely, not in a way that insults anyone). If there are any examples of people with sizing issues, and those examples do not jibe with the specs, those anecdotes should be ignored.

    Edit: Finding that a lot of people who sized up from normal because of the FX-37, OR used a bad benchmark for comparison, or did not measure at all. In these instances, it is common to say the helmet runs large, however, a different process for choosing size would have gotten a different result.

    Many riders tend to choose helmets that fit too large
    . This is so, so common. It also throws their benchmark off. If they are buying a replacement helmet that has a similar or smaller spec, they likely will never notice. On this AFX helmet, if their benchmark size is too large, this problem will be exacerbated.

    We are apprehensive about making fitment statements that may be misinterpreted somehow. Rule #s 1 and 2 for companies selling gear online regarding fit is "post up the manufacturer's fit charts", and "say little else". To be clear, we do not assume responsibility for correct fit, as their are too many variables involved. But we do want to offer common sense information and feedback to folks when possible. In this case, there are sizing characteristics that should be noted, and we have tried to. But I worry that over time, they will morph into something completely different that what we have tried to say.

    One point that needs to be 100% crystal clear: this is a SIZING discussion, NOT a fit discussion. The FX-37 had a fit issue (shape), this helmet fits great. I also want to reiterate people should NOT just order 1 size smaller (though I know it will happen).

    I apologize for the lengthy reply, and admittedly less than polished nature of the response. I do feel that we have a good handle on FX-39 fit, and can speak intelligently to our customers about it. I also feel we are extending our best service to our customers.

    Hope that helps.

    Thanks,

    BP
  14. Brtp4

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    Hi Ed. For my reference, what is your head measurement? Also, pls PM me your order #.

    BP
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    Just got home to find my Silver L waiting-excellent fast service! Great quality helmet for the price, unfortunately the L is too big in this model for me. Way loose on the head and easily maxed out the ratchet adjuster strap. I will be swapping for a Med. Once again, great looking helmet and quality is definitely a step up from the previous model.
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    FYI - I sized up to a large in the new AFX-39 after owning an AFX-37 in medium. The AFX-37 Med has a different narrower shape and applied too much pressure on my forehead. Thought I'd solve this by going to the Large in the AFX-39, but the new model is rounder, so the large is too big. Best to stick with medium, my correct size by the posted sizing chart. Hope this helps anyone on the sizing fence! ...and thanks again BP!
  17. jonmorehouse

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    got mine today, great looking helmet :clap

    buuut... holy cheek pads! i look like a chipmunk with a vise around his head. and that's rocking the xxl, must have lots of brains or rocks or air or something in there.

    my nose also touches the top lip of the screen shield...(edit: breath-box. and it can be trimmed. that's obvious now)

    i'm going to re-evaluate it when i'm not so tired but it doesn't look good for me and afx...

    EDIT: should have read more of the thread and kept quiet until i had something constructive to add. i will measure my head and edit with data.

    question: do somewhat smooshed cheeks hurt after a while or do the cheekpads give in a little over time? my current hjc symax2 xxl is the only helmet i've ever spent alot of time in, so i am self-rated as new to helmet-shopping.

    BP: thanks again for excellent attentive service. you're going well out of your way to ensure our satisfaction and i look forward to recommending your business.
  18. Brtp4

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    Jon, sent you a PM.

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    BP, thanks for the call today to discuss fit. Can't wait to try the helmet on. I'll share my experience with everyone.
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    Jon, I felt the same way in the XL and took the cheek pads out and left them on the table smashed flat under a bag of pellets. I have only worn it once since then but the cheeks are still tighter than I would like. Drives my cheeks into my teeth. I think I am destined to get the XXL cheek pads. I hope that takes care of it. If not I may have to go Ginsu medieval on it :lol3