AHRMA trial at White City

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  1. Nodabs

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    I just got back from a AHRMA trial at White City Il.
    Boy turnout has dropped from when I was chasing points. 12 riders almost isn't enough to offset all of the work that went into the event.
    But beyond that, the day was glorious. Great weather, good sections and being able to see some of the old crew made the day worthwhile.
    I had a good time laying it out and checking. Old feelings started to surface, I wonder if I could ride at that level again? It must be time to dig out my Gold Star out again. Nothing good can come from this.
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  2. Twin-shocker

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    As AHRMA doesnt seem to be providing what riders want, then they will arrive at a stage where it isnt viable to continue to run events. Would it not be a good idea for them to join forces with ITSA, whose events seem to be much better supported?
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    Twin-shocker, I would have to agree with you. I sure didn't see many new faces riding out there. Too bad that politics got in the way of a lot of fun.
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    Surely better to start working with ITSA than stop running trials completely?
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    In looking at the results from some ITSA events, it doesn't look like they are bringing in that many more entrants than AHRMA. A few, but nothing in the 60 to 70 range we were getting 10-15 years ago.
    I really like what Bob is doing, but I think that we all have to realize that Trials is a fringe sport and Vintage Trials is a very small corner of that pie.
    I did this weekend as a lark, I doubt that I will do it again.
    Saying that, it sure was nice seeing Mike P. and Graham come up from Tn. to play with us flatlanders.
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    Nodabs, when you say 12 riders, do you mean 12 riders total, that signed up to compete, combining all classes?
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    Yikes!
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    12 riders total. We had more checkers than riders.
    The first vintage trial that we had back in 1990 had 30 riders!
    There were several of the same riders that rode with us in the 90's, and they ain't getting any younger!
    It was fun while it lasted.
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    If that isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is.
    Thanks for the ride report. Glad you had a good time.
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  10. Twin-shocker

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    I wonder is there any reason why a class for trail bikes couldnt be introduced at vintage events? Lots of people seem to have these bikes in the US, and it would be a good way of getting new interest and boosting entries.
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    Vintage only events Leading to sparse entry levels? Just work with local modern Trials organizations to join in on their events,Vintage bikes are certainly capable of dealing with the lower 2-3 lines at any Trials,we assign the Vintage Cup riders to different pre-existing lines in each section depending on whatever is suitable. I've ended up actually riding a more difficult line on my vintage bike in a couple of sections in each event than I would ride on my modern bike,but I do have a awesome fantic 240...
    There is no benefit in partitioning vintage bikes off from moderns,it's actually counterproductive,we've now got expert level riders dragging old hulks out of barns and having fun on them,and probably improving their skills while they're at it,if not their mechanical ability...

    We are getting 15-20 vintage bikes entered,without doing one iota of additional organization. I'm hoping that we can bump that up and maybe run a Vintage Cup A and B classes next year.
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    dmay,
    What you call a vintage bike, I call a modern bike. And therein lies the rub. The moving target of what is a vintage bike. I ride a 1957 BSA Gold Star trials bike. The loop to a modern section is a chore!
    I understand that time marches on and what was once new is now old. That is why I'm pretty sure that this was the last trial I will ever lay out. Over the hill at 53!
    But what a ride it was. We counted up how many AHRMA National trials that my brother and I had laid out, we think it was somewhere between 30 and 40. It is time for someone else to step up and have fun with it.
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    OK,I admit a Gold Star might be a test to get around a Stoney Lonesome loop,I hope that this doesn't end your trials riding.I turn 55 next January and I'm having the best time I've ever had riding motorcycles in my life,Ryan Young and His dad Jerry rode Triumph Cubs in our series,most bikes are either TY's or the standard Spanish twinshockers.

    I don't ever even check on AHRMA events,my twinshock,aircooled, drum brake bike is too "modern" so I am excluded.What I am saying is if you partner with a modern event lots of the details will be already dealt with,sanctioning and such,insurance, you could likely lay out your own loop and run your pure vintage in the morning utilizing people already at the event for checkers,then reciprocate in the afternoon and punch for the modern guys.Modern guys really dig and respect the old bikes,you'll generate some interest and assuredly someone there will join you with old iron. Hell,I wanna see you bike some time,I will put some Illinois rides on my schedule for next year!(My Dad was always"blah,blah,blah,Gold Stars!,blah,blah,blah!);-)

    There will likely be another T.I.event at Tilton,Il next year,work with the Crosses to add a Vintage Cup class to their event,I plan to get up there some to help them with layout.
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    I was an AHRMA midwest trials regional coordinator from 2000 - 2002 and we were getting 40 to 50 riders for a regional event. There would always be several girls riding and several kids.

    We went to great lengths to make sure every line was fun to ride for that skill level. No gimmes or stupid hard. Even the 4 or beginner line would be fairly long, no in and out as they wanted to ride their bikes as much as the experts.

    I rode my dualsport to an ITSA trials at Trail of Tears back in the spring looking to see some old friends and they had no more than 12 to 14 riders. A couple of the guys I talked to said that all the sections had got so hard it was no longer fun to ride and just tore the bikes up. No beginners at all.
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    Reporting in from the Southeast USA: The last two AHRMA SE regionals had riders numbering in the mid-20's. The one earlier this month had two children riders and one woman riding modern support (me), and we were made to feel very welcome. Barber can't really be compared to other venues due to the numbers it draws from all disciplines, but there'll be a large turnout for trials there next weekend.
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    Does anyone here think ahrma's Trials numbers would grow if they included all twin shock, air-cooled Trials bikes with drum brakes from the late 70's through mid 80's in the Modern Classic class. Or make a new class for these bikes and call it Post Vintage, like they did with MX and CC.
    Not trying to open a can of worms here .... just asking a question.
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    I've seen this "cycle" repeated a few times over the years, with modern events at the end of the twinshock era and again later with vintage events...where in some cases organizers get too focussed on catering to a core of experts while any newbies (or rusty returning riders) that show up get chewed up and spit out by the event, never to be seen again. Not a great situation considering trials is not the easiest bikesport to start off with in the first place, requiring an attention span and time to get proficient. Even when good novice sections are available, its hard to impress your friends of your advanced ability while riding them! :lol3
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    Thing is with AHRMA trials, is that those running them dont seem to grasp the fact that riders wanting to compete on heavy and expensive old Brit pre-unit bikes are becoming fewer and fewer. Times change, and its pretty much impossible to run successful motorcycle competition events without that in mind, so I guess that unless AHRMA chooses to work with ITSA, it wont be feasible for them to carry on running trials at a loss.
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    Thumpermeister, What you point out is always a problem with laying out a trial. Who do you make the sections for? A new guy who may or may not come back or a hard core trials rider that comes to every event?
    I was never really able to figure out the right balance myself. I always figured that if half of the entrants complained it was too hard and the other half complained it was too easy... But the main thing to take away is that both sides complained, and I am tired of listening to the bitching.
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    I don't think so. In the AHRMA area I ride, the North West region, we have had entries in the 40's to 80's for each event with the current trials setup. I don't want to debate AHRMA, but I understand their view. I have seen on the MX side that some people are just looking for a place for inexpensive racing on non-current bikes. Just because someone has an '89 whatever doesn't mean that AHRMA needs a class for it. In the 20 years that I've been a member of AHRMA the downturn, IMO, has to do with rising travel costs and overall economic conditions. Any "volunteer" based group is going to have detractors. Since I don't volunteer, I'm happy with what is provided.
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