Air Force drops reflective vest requirement

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by CafeRacer99, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. CafeRacer99

    CafeRacer99 Been here awhile

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    I'm Army but I live on an Nellis Air Force base. Yesterday the gate guard told me that a reflective vest was no longer required to get on base. Nor is it required to wear a "brightly colored" uppergarment at all. Still required are helmet, eye pro, gloves, long sleeves, long pants and over the ankle boots.

    This mirrors what I saw last week while attending a class at Joint Base Lewis McChord near Seattle, where almost no riders were wearing vests. This is recent, like the last two weeks.

    Personally I hated having to wear a reflective vest, so I'm happy with this change.

    I am curious what prompted the change. I haven't seen any articles or announcements after searching online.
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  2. USMC_Engineer

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    This in interesting! They pushed the vest issue so hard when I was stationed On Camp Pendleton back in the day, we would just take it off as soon as we cleared the front gate though....


    funny thing is now thought, I am all about being conspicuous out there, white helmet, Toxic color olympic coat, reflective tape on the panniers......
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  3. marty_uiuc

    marty_uiuc moran

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    Navy region SW did away with the requirement back in July, although the brightly colored and reflective stuff is still recommended after dark.
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  4. Swashbuckler

    Swashbuckler Been here awhile

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    Don't worry. I'm sure they'll make it to where you'll have to paint the motorcycle a florescent color.:rofl

    I definitely don't miss the AF.
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  5. Heyload

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    It was my experience in over 23 years of service that the requirement goes through cycles. No reflective gear, some reflective gear, Defcon 1 level reflective gear, no reflective gear, etc, etc, etc.

    Alot of it depends on whatever officer is in charge at headquarters and their opinions about motorcycles.
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  6. Brian Keith

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    Maybe they did a study and found out it didn't lower accidents. A few motorcycle cops I know tell me that people pull out in front of them with the red and blue lights going. If flashing lights don't help a day-glo yellow vest sure isn't.
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  7. CafeRacer99

    CafeRacer99 Been here awhile

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    This would be my guess. They either had a study or there's a new HMFIC of the Air Force who rides and hates those vests a much as the rest of us.
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  8. Dorito

    Dorito Dreamer and Doer

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    The Navy also dropped the requirement you must attend the BRC/ERC every 3 years for base access. It was too costly for them to maintain.
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    I work on Kennedy Space Center property but I pass thru Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (to and from) each day. I have been wearing my brightly colored reflective jacket for 3 years now and I do not mind it except for off days that I may have my black leather jacket on and wish to cut thru to save time. I shall now investigate if the rules have change here on CCAFS.
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  10. justafurnaceman

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    Army did away with it about a year ago without any fanfare or confetti. ALTHOUGH it's now the Base Commander's discretion. Ft Leonard Wood you don't need it, Ft Hood you do....

    Apparently Unit Commanders can also dictate whether or not you have to wear it too.
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  11. marty_uiuc

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    eh? my command just recently went through a whole Big Deal about people having the courses.
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  12. tkent02

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    People pull out in front of school busses and trains.
    If the stylish yellow thing makes you feel safer wear it.
    I think they are ridiculous.
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  13. Hot Stuff

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    the Air Force gate guards here at Osan AB, Korea were stupid sometimes when it came to reflective vests. I know a guy that got pinged for not wearing a reflective "vest", nevermind that he was wearing a high-vis and reflective Aerostich suit at the time, because it wasn't a 'vest'.
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  14. justafurnaceman

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    Haha, they're robots and don't know any better. My Battalion Commander was unaware of the change of policy. If they don't ride then they don't care.
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  15. Contevita

    Contevita Cigar Adventurer

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    When I was stationed at McChord they had a requirement for reflective vests too. Most folks bought the bright orange ones, I found a black one with the greyish reflective stripes and wore that on base without hassle. At first the gate guards would try to comment on it but it was reflective and met the requirements. I still have that black reflective vest, it was heavy duty construction and is built well.
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  16. Jnich77

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    Exactly!!

    Or a Division commander got tired of wearing one, so he had the policy changed...lol. At Camp Blanding all we are required to wear is a PT belt.
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  17. DarthJ

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    All the AR says is that "Riders are encouraged to select PPE that incorporates fluorescent colors and retro-reflective material". Also says "Commanders are highly discouraged from adding PPE requirements at the local level" but not outright banned from doing so.

    FYI, it's AR 385-10, Chap 11, para 11-9 d (4)
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  18. kuroda_tadayoshi

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    Man, that takes me back. I remember taking the safety class at Nellis back in 1985, as a 16 year old kid. I had that vest on to and from the base.

    And yeah, back then, as soon as a rider cleared the gate, they all pulled over and the vest came off. Maybe after decades, the base finally took the hint.
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  19. daveinva

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    My guess is, like "always on" headlights, once everyone was wearing them, no one would notice them.
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  20. Bar None

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    I was stationed at Hahn Air Base, West Germany back in 1962-1965. Seat belt were required in private vehicles so when I bought a car I went to the base hobby shop and installed seat belts. I thought that seat belts were a good idea then and still think so today.

    I hope armed service personnel don't unbuckle their seat bests when they leave the base.

    I also think that high viz is a good idea. It does not replace defensive driving on my part but it appears to me that motorcyclists with proper gear seem to be better riders.
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