Air Rifle Thread

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by GordonFreeman, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. davsato

    davsato Been here awhile

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    here in the UK the law states a muzzle energy limit, 12ft/lb, above which you need a full firearms license same as if it was a .50BMG. the fps of the pellet is only half of it, as the weight has a lot to do with it too. the RWS superdome or superpoint i quoted above are my usual ammo and both are about 14.5grains, they should come out around 600fps to be legal.

    at 1000fps to carry 12ft/lb a pellet would have to weigh only 5grains! this is a pretty good calculator if anyones interested;
    http://www.1728.org/energy.htm
  2. 4ad

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    Is this law really a concern for UK airgunners? With all the modders in this sport I can't see how this law could be enforced at all.....cops/rangers would have to carry around a crony and a gram scale!
  3. P B G

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    Don't folks in the UK have pretty strict permits in terms of where you will use it and for what purpose?

    Or can you purchase below that limit with impunity?
  4. FPGT72

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    My QB78 arrived yesterday...sorry no pics yet...too busy actually shooting it.

    First thing I noticed was just how nice the wood was....then the weight of the rifle, it actually feels well made. I am not too keen on the gold bolt and trigger, but eh. But the heft of the rifle much more heavy then the springers I am use to.

    It shoots real nice...and pretty tight. I am going to put it in a rest and see how it will actually shoot....taking myself as much out of the picture as I can.

    So far I am pretty happy with the rifle....thanks for the suggestion.
  5. davsato

    davsato Been here awhile

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    sorry guys been on holiday.

    firstly, yes air pistols and rifles below the 6-12ft/lb limit can be bought by anyone over 18 with no other checks made. above those limits you need a full firearms certificate which is a PITA to get, also requiring somewhere to use it and a lot of security. you might as well get a .22LR its the same legal hoops to jump through and the weapon would be 1/3rd of the price. officially the law has to show a good reason for you NOT to have a certificate, but thats been turned on its head like most things these days and it feels like youre a criminal deviant just thinking about getting a gun. (strangely you can have a crossbow of any power at 18 with no problems at all, how does that work?).

    as to what happens if your gun is tweaked, well, nothing really, all clubs will regularly check members weapons but there is little chance of ever being checked by the cops unless you did something naughty with it and it got confiscated as evidence. then it would be checked and if it was over the limit the charges would be upped to firearms offences rather than a slap on the wrist. if it was under the limit then you might get your rifle back, three months later, scratched to buggery and slightly bent maybe. (one part of this that you lucky americans might not understand is that there are absolutely NO parts of Britain that are not owned by somebody, there are areas of common land anyone can go on but legally you cant shoot anything within 50' of any common land either! so unless you own the land yourself or have specific permission to shoot youre an armed tresspasser/poacher by default)
  6. FPGT72

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    Sounds like Robin Hood or something.

    Very different.

    So far I really enjoy the QB. At under $100 it is (so far) a real good rifle...I still have not put it on the vice, but with me at the trigger I seem to hit what I aim at...well I will say it hits what it is pointed at.

    I should have done this long ago...it is also pretty darn quiet....much less noise then the springers I have. You could shoot this in the garage/bacement if you cleaned it out....I have a few too many cars for that.

    I have not counted shots but I think I have around 100 on this pair of cartridges and it is loosing its power I can tell now. That is not too bad.
  7. chipgibbs

    chipgibbs ChipG

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    Once your hooked on the QB you should go to "Archer Air guns" and check out the rotary clip, takes about 2 minutes to install it and it just makes the fun funner.
    It's also pretty easy to modify the valve for more power if your so inclined.

    I shoot mine more than all my other airguns just 'cause it's easy, light, accurate and fun.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
  8. McNeal

    McNeal Long timer

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    Where did you purchase your rifle from? That stock is different from anything I've seen along with different muzzle brake. I'm wondering if there's someone else offering custom mods besides Archer Airguns.
  9. barnyard

    barnyard Verbal tactician Super Moderator

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    That stock is a work of art.

    Pure wood.
  10. FPGT72

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    I shot the fool out of the thing this past weekend. Went to Cabelas and picked up a few different kinds of pellets, and did some tests to see if the rifle had one it liked best...it really did not, everything I put in it did real well. I do understand now the oversized bolt handle they offer....I think if I get anything I wll get the larger bolt handle it is pretty hard for me to work the bolt...but that is likely just me...just a little weak.

    I also picked up this thing as they had it on sale...it is pretty darn fun as well...for IIRC $30 it was not bad.

    [​IMG]
  11. davsato

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    that looks like a good target! i find "army men" nailed to a plank are fun too, toy cars, old model kits, (planes strung from trees moving in the wind are great) any old toys the kids have grown out of.

    the QB bolt really benefits from a tune up, strip it and even if you do nothing to the rubbish gasflow at least polish all the metal to metal parts. trigger parts too.

    re my posts above, i merrily gave mine a thorough tune up and accidentally made it so powerful the pellets skipped the rifling and skirts burst as they came out the muzzle. and the only way i could get it back down to our legal limit was to keep trimming the hammer spring, so you can cock mine with a pinky now
  12. FPGT72

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    That would be nice...I am going to look into the innerds of it...and perhaps get another one...they are fun.

    I looked on archers site and could not find the rotary clip...do you have a link?
  13. davsato

    davsato Been here awhile

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    had no idea you could even get one.
  14. FPGT72

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    Sorry quoted the wrong guy...it was chipgibbs that talked about the rotary clip.
  15. lewismedlock

    lewismedlock Also available in sober.

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    Years ago a buddy and I went camping with a lot of beer and my Daisy 881. We hung a can from a tree, with the idea that we'd shoot it in half before the weekend was over. We never could make the shots we needed to tear the last little bit of the can, but we had a great time trying.
  16. chipgibbs

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    The rotary magazines are available from http://www.qbmags.com/ . I have had one for a couple years. The stock is available from Archer Airguns and I refinished it and added the grip cap and fore end tip.
    The shroud is from Mountain Air and has been made quiet.

    ChipG
  17. davsato

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    thanks chip. we can only get the most basic support for these rifles in the UK, the gunsmith that did some conversions and tuning parts went out of business. i got a few spares and a target stock from archers and it was cheaper than getting parts here. my rifle is a working gun so its not as fancy as yours, i just sprayed it matt black and touch it up as it gets beat up. (the stock is for tiny little chinese guys, i had to put 1.5" spacers on the buttpad to give it a 14" reach so my son and i could use it, and its still short for me. i got a bipod for it but the stock is so short i'll have to figure out how to barrel mount it.
    mine is the '79 that uses 88g gas bottles or a paintball bottle but these are so expensive here i put a paintball quickchange in it to use a single 12g, get around 30 usable 40yd rabbit shots out of it, 40 for squirrels or rats closer up.
  18. sanjoh

    sanjoh Purveyor of Light

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    Some nice looking "Air Rifles".

    I bought a Gamo Varmint on a whim and oh my it shoots well. No targets, but it puts dinner on the table:D Here's the result of a .177 pellet at 65yds. Head shot
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    Grilled rabbit yum

    The doves are nervous:deal
  19. FPGT72

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    You must be a big dude....I am 5'8" 155 and it fits me just fine.

    I just can't say enough good things about this rifle.....Many have tossed out the so accurate it is a bore....well yea....anything under say about 25yards is just a no brainer. Over that I am good for about 10-20 shots...I have not counted....then I think the pressure starts to drop and the pellets start to drop a little. Under 25 and I am good till the thing is about empty.

    So far I have recharged the rifle 3 times....I have not counted the amount of shots I get from a pair of CO2 cartridges....just too much fun now to bother.

    The bolt is also getting a little better to work....just getting worked in I guess.

    I have gotten SO much trigger time I think it is going to really help me when I can finally get back to centerfire rifles. When I started I could not hit ANYTHING unless the gun was on a rest....now I am steady for about 10 shots then I get the shakes and my arm feels like I have done 100 push-ups.....but that is progress. Just last night I went 5 for 5 at 25yards off hand on a target a little smaller then the bottom of a pop can....after that I hit nothing, but that is the longest string to date.....getting better.
  20. DC950

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    that's seriously cool.