Air Rifle Thread

Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by GordonFreeman, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. Sniper X

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    Where did you get the suppressor? AND you don't need any tax stamp or any special dispensation from the Pope to own it right?
  2. mjydrafter

    mjydrafter evil boy for life

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    I think you do need the tax stamp for any suppressor, their reasoning is, that it could be converted for use on a "real" gun.
  3. chipgibbs

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    This is not a supressor, its a muzzle brake. supressors have internal baffles to redirect the noise & gasses. In the airgun world, many high end rifles come with a Shrouded barrell. This is another type of supresion that cannot be removed but, is legal.. In some states, If the suppressor is permanently mounted, it is legal. The one above is just a hollow look a like, or maybe it's not.
    I'm pretty sure I got this one from "Crooked Barn"

    ChipG
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  5. 4ad

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    The laws vary by state but overall it is a VERY grey area concerning a suppressor that can "easily" be modified to fit a firearm...I can "easily" make one out of a water bottle if I wanted to.

    I find it funny that in the UK, you're expected to have a suppressor on an airgun...yet they limit the power. here in the states, no suppressor but you can own a honking 50 cal. pushed by 3000 psi.
  6. Nailhead

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    Which one to get for pest elimination-- BSA Lightning XL or RWS 350 Feuerkraft?

    Both are about the same price, both are .177 with the BSA at 1000 FPS, and the RWS at 1250. A scope is included with both.

    The BSA claims to have a "slimline silencer" while the RWS has a "muzzle brake" (on a pellet gun?). I live in town, so stealth is an important consideration.

    Anyone got any insights?

    The bird shit is building up on my fence, truck, patio, etc., & something has to be done.
  7. Mr. B

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    You really don't need that kind if velocity to eliminate small birds. Also, over-powered "magnum" guns like those have a lot of recoil and are hard to shoot accurately. Seriously, an air rifle that shoots in the 600fps range is PLENTY for small birds.
  8. Mr. B

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    In general, a lower powered air gun will also be quieter, too.
  9. FPGT72

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    The other thing you have to remember is the FPS #'s that are given are kinda like horse power in lawn mowers....we just have not had the law suit yet. They are a best case result, the right pellet, the right weather...bla bla bla.

    It is true you could get by with something different....but if there are different pests you may need to use the rifle on that could sway you one way or the other. Also just because it is an air rifle don't think for a second it will not over penn. Remember one of the rules of guns in general.

    Know your target and know what is behind it.

    With the rifles you talked about you could put a pellet right through it.
  10. PunkinHead

    PunkinHead Moobless Adventurer

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    I see the difference between the QB78 & 79 but I'm wondering what the AR2078 & AR2079 get you. Nicer stock and a peep sight?
  11. Nailhead

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    Squirrels, too-- I mentioned that in a previous inquiry.

    As for recoil, I shoot an AR, so I would think I would be at home with a pellet gun's recoil.

    Thanks for the insights, but what I'm really looking for is a comparison/contrast of BSA vs. RWS build quality, reliability, owner satisfaction, that kind of thing.

    The point about the noise level at that velocity is well taken, and noise is a primary consideration here, so I continue to ruminate on the question...
  12. Nailhead

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    FP, good point on the FPS: I was thinking that was a best-case figure & that is one of the reasons I want to err on the side of overpowered.

    Also, what is "over penn"?

    As for the rules, I was schooled in these from a very young age by a father who VERY intolerant of infractions in this area. It's second nature by now.
  13. Mr. B

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    What's an "AR"? If you mean that you already shoot an air rifle, then you probably know that spring piston-type air guns have a different recoil from a firearm. The recoil is in both directions. In one of those super-magnum air rifles, the recoil is especially sharp--sharper than many firearms. This double recoil also destroys scopes not designed for airguns.

    The effect of this is that the pellet hasn't left the barrel before the gun is finished it's secondary recoil. This causes inaccuracy if you don't have a well-practiced and consistent hold on the gun and maintain a follow-through (very important).

    More than you wanted to know about firing behavior?

    I'm not familiar with the BSA and RWS models you mentioned.

    And I'm sure FB was talking about "over penetration." If you are shooting in your back yard, you don't want that 1250 FPS pellet to blow through that bird (or squirrel) and continue through the neighborhood.

    BTW, I've taken countless squirrels with 600-700 FPS guns.
  14. El Guero

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    Maybe you folks can help me here as I'm pretty air gun ignorant.

    My dad gave us a Daisy/Winchester .177 rifle and I tried taking it to the range. It wouldn't really move my plastic hopping reactive target (that's okay I guess), but when I was trying to shoot it at my paper target with plastic backer, the pellets would just bounce off :huh

    Do I need to figure out a backer-less paper target to get the thing sighted in? I guess I wouldn't mind trying it for target shooting some time, but I can't ever tell if I'm hitting the target :lol3
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    Sorry over penetrate....not typing too well these days and try to cut stuff short if I can.

    I have an older RWS 34....and it is great....my problem is with my current health problems I can't cock the thing....this is why I have been looking for CO2 rifles. Actually I am not sure if my gun is labeled RWS or Dana....I think tha one bought the other, or something like that....not sure.

    I also have two Gamo air guns one 440 and I am not sure what the other is, I think it is bigger but I can't really run down stairs to check....if anyone wants to know next time I am down I will pull it out of the safe and look.

    Both gamo guns are about 8 years old or so....the rws going on 20. The gamo guns I got from cabelas bargin cave and IIRC they were under $150 each. Both will put a pellet through a soup can at (I am guessing) 20-30 yards or so....and they are a little on the loud side....I would say just a tick softer then a subsonic 22 from a rifle...but not by much.

    Sorry I missed the tree rats in there as well. I know this will likely start a storm as it has happend at least one time in this threat but I would do a .22 rifle....yes yes I know a 177 will work, and you will loose some FPS with the 22, but I always thought that the larger would be better on sqirrel sized critters.
  16. BigEasy

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    A friend of mine is a pretty impressive rifle shot and a .22 FREAK i.e. he squirrel hunts with an Anschuts (sp?) target gun with a 20 something power Ziess scope. He turned me on to shooting sub sonic .22 bullets and they make very little noise.

    Don't know if I'd shoot them "in town" but in the burbs with a clear down range picture I don't think you'd disturb the neighbors, freak em out if they found out but likely not disturb them:lol3
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    My experience with .22 subsonic ammo is that it is just as loud (without suppressor) as a LR .22...the subs are meant to be used with a suppressor.

    ANY round (including pellets) that go hypersonic ( around 1100fps) is very difficult to suppress as the sonic wave happens outside of the barrel. With pellets travelling this fast ,the wave will actually catch up with the round and disturb its flight, affecting accuracy.

    Most 9mm rounds are subsonic 800-1000 fps which make them well suited for a suppressor.
  18. 4ad

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    I prefer a .177 over a .22 for squirrels because of the much tighter accuracy..I dont have to worry about holdover or holdunder at all from 10yds to 40yds...it just feels so much more surgical to put the crosshairs right where you want the pellet to go and not just blasting away hoping for a bodyshot. I,ve taken around 30 so far with my 650fps .177 and all but 3 or 4 only needed one head shot.
  19. a1fa

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    I have no such problems with my .22....
  20. FPGT72

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    I have an older colt pre woodsman and they have a problem with even standard .22 rimfire ammo...springs and such have to be upgraded to shoot modern ammo. I am guessing that modern standard 22 is hotter then it was in the 1920's when theis pistol was made.

    I also have an old mauser 22 rifle that just loves subsonic 22....anything else and it is all over the paper. I think a lot of the older guns just like the slower stuff.

    But we have drifted....I was suggesting a 22 air rifle, not a rimfire...just saying that my big pelet rifles are about as loud as a subsonic rimfire.

    I only had one 22 pelet rifle and that was years ago and I don't remember it being bad as far as putting pellets on target.

    I think a great deal of it has to do with the pelets themselfs....I liked this video when researching the QB

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UTa1VjyyXI

    skip down to 4:55 for the groups....it is amazing how the different pellets group.

    I really need to get off my butt and order one of these rifles....I think they are the best that I have found.