Airbag Jacket any good? ( Hit Air Safermoto jacket & vest)

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by mikeyoda, Dec 20, 2009.

  1. John Smallberries

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    Funny you should mention the connection sensor. Months ago, I ordered a bunch of magnets , reed switches and LEDs to make my "long-term" version. My crude version worked, but would not live long on the bike. Over time, I convinced myself that attaching the tether had become such a part of my riding routine that I no longer needed to worry about sensor. I disconnected the prototype as it looked very "uncraftsman-like". I finished a short ride this Saturday only to look down and see the bike-end hanging freely!

    I guess I should put the effort into making the thing work as I need it to be connected ALL the time, not MOST of the time!

    My prototype was magnet/reed-switch based. I found I needed a very powerful magnet and redundant reed switches to make it work reliably within the "flop envelope" of my carabiner connection. I just need a few hours with no other projects or kids to chase around (or nice weather to ride)...
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  2. John Smallberries

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    Regarding the connection sensor - why don't we ask our inmate friends who represent Hit-Air/Safer-Moto???

    Hey guys - can you talk the Japanese geniuses into designing a bike-ready connection sensor that can be easily adapted to any make? I bet they could whip something up very quickly.

    I'd gladly buy the first one.
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  3. P B G

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    Thing I liked best in those videos was the inflatable collar.

    Short of wearing a Leatt brace full time most motorcyclists have no neck injury protection.

    You have some spine protection if you have a good back protector in your jacket, and head protection with a good helmet, but nothign between them.

    I'd personally be interested in a airbag neck brace more than an airbag jacket.
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  4. John Smallberries

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    I believe both the Hit-Air and Impact Jackets do have inflatable collars.
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  5. P B G

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    Right, I see them in the videos, I just meant a stand along collar, something that could be worn under a regular vest, and inflate using a small 12 gram cartridge or something.

    Anyhow, I think most Leatt brace wearers are into serious offroad. Inflatable for dual sporters/onroad riders, that wouldn't need a big open collar.
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  6. Ratski

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    Saw this the other day, when I was kicking around on Youtube. Looks cool!

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  7. John Smallberries

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    Hi
    I finally have a permanent version of my sensor mounted on my GS. It works fine. Look in "Gear" - "Equipment" for "Airbag Connection Sensor" and you will see the photos.

    PS - I changed my ADV name from to "John Smallberries" :deal
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  8. Waco

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    The inflation seems really slow in the video. :scratch If you are still on the bike at the moment of impact, your body is going to hit something just as the tether gets yanked.
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  9. SaferMoto

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    FWIW, that vest had the older system in it. The newer system is twice as fast.
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  10. SaferMoto

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    Hi Craig,
    This is great. Would love to see some pictures.
    Cheers,
    -John
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  11. PJungnitsch

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    That video is the older system, as John points out. It seemed pretty fast to me, but he still kindly sent the upgraded valve assembly.

    I liked this work one enough I bought the new MLV-Y model with my own money.

    It's a smaller and lighter, I like it a lot:

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    The idea of an indicator light though is a good one!

    BTW the first faceplant was just posted with the MLV vest, seems to have worked very well:

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616868
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  12. nashopolis

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    I'm curious how hot the vests are to ride in? Is it mostly mesh? In the same vein is the difference between the mesh full vests and the MLV just the amount of cosmetic material / does one function or wear more easily than the others.

    I'm a cheap bastard but the neck bracing feature seems like 300 bones well spent if it works. When does the full body suit come out?
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  13. HaChayalBoded

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    My buddy has two of these, how would he go about requesting the upgraded valve assembly?
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  15. spaceharrier

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    Not difficult to ride in. Fits well enough over all my jackets. The vest outer isn't mesh, and it also has the inflatable bladder packed inside which (obviously) isn't mesh either. So it doesn't flow air. Having said that, subjectively it hasn't seemed to me to restrict airflow much either, against whatever jacket you're wearing underneath. So some tradeoff, but nothing that makes things uncomfortable (for me).
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  16. Waco

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    If these are effective, why aren't racers using them?
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  17. SaferMoto

    SaferMoto Been here awhile

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    Some are.
    Problem is a lack of knowledge of the product. Even though they have been around for more than 12 years, people just don't know about them.
    We sponsor a number of racers and have sold vests to many more.
    You seem to continue to insinuate that these are not effective and obviously they are.
    Why you would want to discourage the product?
    If you think they are a stupid and ineffective, that's lovely, don't get one. But I believe in the product and I have customers (and racers) who have been saved from serious injury because they were wearing one of our vests.
    Racers: http://safermoto.com/racing.html
    News and crash testimonials: http://safermoto.com/news.html
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  18. Thinc2

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    I like the idea and am considering one.
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  19. spaceharrier

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    Just because someone who could benefit from something isn't using it doesn't mean that the benefit isn't there. Lot's of reasons why something may not have yet caught on. Now to be a bit less smug, I actually think there are some fair questions here.

    First, there's no standard (as far as I know) to measure effectiveness of these or other airbag vests. There also aren't that many out there to compare to one another. Some obvious questions:


    1. How much is force transfer reduced compared to regular armor?
    2. How often would you land on the bag, or would it brace something else?
    3. How quickly does the bag deploy when the tether is triggered?
    4. Does the assembly ever interfere in a way that might itself cause injury?

    First, we want to know if it has a benefit beyond the armor we already wear. Second -- like the many current discussions around back protectors -- we want to know if it's going to come into play in a typical survivable accident. Of particular interest is the secondary bracing, especially for the neck. Also very important is how quickly the thing inflates vs. how quickly you end up impacting with one of those troublesomely solid objects. And last there is the keybox and CO2 cylinder on the lower right chest, which certainly contains enough material that it could hurt, so we want to know roughly how likely it is that it will hurt in various crash situations, with some data beyond "my dad's bartender's cousin once got his head chopped off by a seat belt so they're unsafe".

    I own an MLV lightweight, having wondered all those things and decided that I think it's very likely to be a considerable net positive piece of protection in a survivable crash. Perhaps extending the survivability envelope some, too. But a bit of objective testing would be good, since all protection equipment represents a range of protection / comfort / cost tradeoffs.
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  20. Waco

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    You seem to misinterpret my posts. I'm just asking logical questions. Car airbags inflate instantly. I wonder if these vests inflate fast enough, especially if it has to pull a tether first. It would be better if it had a sensor on the motorcycle that activated the vest when it detected a level of deceleration only possible in an accident. But there could be situations where the rider decelerates and the bike doesn't. Much, if not most, of our modern protective gear has been developed through racing experience. Those guys crash way more often and at higher speeds, but they usually don't have to worry about SUVs. I think the idea has possibilities, but there are still bugs to be worked out. If it took the place of bulky body armor and provided the same protection in a more comfortable suit, that would be great.
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