Airhead oil filters

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  1. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    Need an oil filter for my 78 R100S with oil cooler
    Capital Cycle has 2 choices for that bike.
    1- Hinged at around 12$
    2- 2 seperate with gasket 25$
    Ive e mailed them (cant call -at work) and not heard back.
    Whats the difference?
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  2. Jacubird

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    The hinged filters were produced to allow (relatively) easy filter changes for RS and RT bikes with those full fairings. The hinge allows for filter changes without having to remove the fairing panel on that side. Since yours is an S bike, without the lower fairing, the straight filter is your best bet.
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  3. Yarddog

    Yarddog Been here awhile

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    Tried using a hinged filter and the stoopid thing wouldn't go into where it needs to go at the bottom...what a stoopid design for an oil filter...on all levels...
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  4. P B G

    P B G Long timer

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    I've never had any real trouble with the hinged or unhinged filters on my bike. Other than the dealer often only having the one style.
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  5. wirewrkr

    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    UMMM, let's clarify something here.
    He has an oil cooler.
    No one makes a straight filter for that application. (unless there's some new offshore hotshot brand that's fresh on the market)!
    15 years ago I became a BMW parts department employee because of the ineptitude of Capital Cycle.
    I'm glad they suck, it changed my life.
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  6. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    Great.. Anyhow, I just looked at their site and noticed 2 filters that would fit my bike. The hinged one and one that isnt (2 parts for that particular filter- no hinge). It looks like the exhaust header may be in the way and I figured that was the hinge reason. Anyhow, if all fails in the mail order department (Ie Hucky or CC) then Ill go to my local Airhead dude who has em but 27$ a pop.
    I shoulda changed the oil myself 1st time out but the bike was in for safety and I said fuk it.
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    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    I didn't understand what you were referring to about a "2 piece" so I went and looked, Both of the filters they offer are hinged.
    The 25.00 one is factory BMW and looks like it is two piece but it is hinged, trust me.
    The other one looks like an Emgo Asian made.
    Good luck with that.
    I would try Huckies and just belly up to bar and pay the money for a good quality filter.
    It's your motor, why take chances?
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  8. wirewrkr

    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    better yet, email me tomorrow at parts@sjbmw.com and we can straighten you out, and save afew bucks a swell.
    Robert
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  9. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    Yes. they both fit. The strait is a PITA. The hinged is also a PITA---it really doesn't work like it should. Yes,the header is in the way. I use strait filters (more filter area vs hinged, fewer failure points) and I swivel the header out of the way. I also clean and lube my header nuts and make sure the muffler connections aren't frozen. Do it a couple of times and it doesn't take long. All part of tuneup day. Take your time and save a bit of money.

    Oil filters are one of the classic BMW bend-overs,. Several options exist, See the IBMWR site. People that make sweet $$$ selling OEM like to trash the options. They are hardly disinterested.

    I do buy an OEM kit very so often to take advantage of the new washers and gaskets. You need the full on oil change kit to get them. One of these days I'll get off my ass and source the parts and buy a nice sack of everything for a fraction of the price.

    I gave my oil cooler thermostat the heave-ho. Otherwise get a drainer bolt to fully drain and prime it. I got one from Bob's years ago. Never used it.
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  10. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    I dont mind dropping the coin on the good stuff (dont get me started on oil!:rofl ) I want this bike to stick around for a looooong while. I just wanted knowledge on the price variances. Makes sense.
    As stated my guy is 27$ so i'd avoid the shipping costs etc..
    Rob, Ill drop you a line tomorrow afternoon.
    Cheers all..
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    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    Like I said earlier, he has an oil cooler. The straight filter is too short.
    Let me set you straight here PLAKA, The only people making the "sweet $$$" on the oem filters is BMW North America. The dealers margin for most of these these parts is sad. Very Sad.
    I wasn't "trashing" the options, hell, I use non OEM filters on all of my bikes that I can. IF they are decent quality.
    I have seen the Frams and I have seen the Emgo filters up close and personal, and after 15 years of selling BMW parts, and 16 years previous to that installing them, I deem those two brands not worth the risk. For different reasons.
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  12. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    But it's still your meal ticket, isn't it? Like I was saying about disinterested parties....




    But you just said they aren't decent quality....which is it?

    I'll spare you the saga of my one and only experience with the SJBMW parts yokels (up front and in person). Suffice it to say I didn't darken their door again. I was thinking it was a good thing to support the local dealer. I was an idiot. You support the people that can get the job done. In the many weeks of waiting for my part (past when it was promised) I had time to call around and learn the score.


    Lot and lots of people on the net claim all sorts of credentials and use that to back all sorts of opinions. But you know what they say: " Blessed are the gullible...."
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  13. Lornce

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    Remind me tomorrow and I'll get you guys a link to a source for quality Purolator filters.

    iirc, they're $5/pc if you buy them in batches of 5 or 10.

    They have the o-rings and shim rings available, too, for cheap.

    I wasn't going to say anything, but if BMWNA is reaming dealers so bad that it isn't worth their while to sell filters, I figured "what the heck".

    :dunno
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    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    Well since this has turned into some sort of pissing contest, you still haven't addressed your fuck-up about recommending the straight filter for the O.P., if you're going to give out advice, it's best to know what the fuck you are talking about.
    But I'll let that one fester on the coals for a bit.

    There are other aftermarket filters besides Fram and Emgo.
    Those are the only two that I wouldn't use.
    I use K&N, Purolator, Knecht, and Mann and another Asian Brand that name slips my mind right now, but is TUV approved and I have sold with confidence in the past.
    As far as your experience with the folks at SJBMW, since I don't know who you are or when you were there or how you presented yourself when you were there, I can't give any answer as to why you left dissatisfied.
    Any further info would be appreciated.
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    wirewrkr the thread-killer

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    We're all ears Lornce, they are one of the original OEM suppliers and decent quality to boot.
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  16. Plaka

    Plaka Brevis illi vita est

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    Oh foo, you edited out the good part! I suppose it'd be dirty pool to quote it tho....

    Fine specimen you are, me laddy.
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  17. opposedcyljunkie

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    Will wait for your linky :deal
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  18. Lornce

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    Sometimes my memory serves, other times I need to go to the bar. It's been a couple of years but the $5 filters are actually made by Fram, not Purolator. Mann is the other filter brand they sell for airheads.

    5 packs of Fram filters: $25.00
    http://www.beemerboneyard.com/fram5pkofh.html

    5 packs of Mann filters (not Purolator): $67.50
    http://www.beemerboneyard.com/mannmh585pk.html

    Quite a price difference. :brow

    I'd be curious to know what's up with Fram filters? Apparently they meet BMW's specs. One of the world's largest manufacturers of oil filters...

    fwiw, I've been using Fram filters for years in a variety of different bikes and haven't noticed anything odd about them.

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  19. fyr

    fyr iRoast Coffee

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    Holy shit,
    I go away from here for a bit and it gets all Jo mommaty on me!
    Blame anything to do with oil :rofl

    So I got a response from CC about their filters. Here's is a copy of their reply (just for the record)

    The filter we normally sell for your bike is $10.24 (this month&#8217;s sale) and is made by an OEM quality manufacturer in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place>.
    The filter costing $25.25 is supplied by BMW
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  20. Plaka

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    At one time or another I've gotten both Knecht, and Mann filters in a BMW "OEM" branded box. Don't recall a Purolator but I wouldn't doubt it if anyone said so.

    I got some crapo filters in an eBay rip off once (guy did a little creative repackagin). They seemed OK but the glue retaining the rubber seals was sloppy and failing. I used some up for flushing projects and sold the rest---as what they were.

    When I buy retail filters for my truck I notice the manufacturers hype their stuff endlessly. I know I'm paying for that hype work. try to get data and you hit a wall. I select by price and change them often.

    Working as a design engineer and specifying oil (hydraulic) and air (clean room) filters, I have all the data I want. Pressure, flow, pore size, filter area, etc. all right in the manufacturer literature. No hype, they know you are running calculations (including cost) and working from that.

    On your bike you know there is some spec but not what it is. You know the filters meet some spec but not what that is. But the manufacturer says these filters meet their spec---and also sell them of course. So you won't go wrong with those, but you won't optimize either---including on cost.


    But somebody check my math on this one (seriously, I'm working on my fingers):

    If you get 40mpg and pay $2.65 for gas your cost/mile for fuel is 6 cents.

    If you pay $175 per year for insurance and ride 10K per year your cost for insurance is a little under 2 cents per mile.

    If you buy a bike for $9500, ride it 60k and sell it for $3200 your capital cost per mile for the basic machine is 10 cents a mile

    If you go through 3 tires every 10K @ $120/tire it's 3 and a half cents per mile

    If you pay $15 for a filter and change it every 3000miles your cost per mile for the filter is 1/2 a cent.

    If you use 3 quarts of oil for an oil change every 3k @ $4.50/quart you are just under a half a cent /mile for the oil.
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