Amendment 64

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by Mike D, Oct 26, 2012.

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Amendment 64: The Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act of 2012

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  1. colodak

    colodak Been here awhile

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    LMAO, and if you think these grow facilities are following these rules to the letter, your smoking your own product a little too much
  2. Myfuture_yourdebt

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    I could start naming off bars and liquor stores that sell to minors. They always end up with a liquor license again somehow...
  3. Myfuture_yourdebt

    Myfuture_yourdebt Banned

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    Here's some realistic predictions from the same University of Denver law professor/"expert on Colorado's marijuana scene" from the Westword article I posted earlier:

    "But I could see the federal government telling us, 'We said all along that noncommercial medical use is fine, but this is a totally different thing. There are 100,000-some-odd medical-marijuana card holders in Colorado, but there are four million adults. And the difference between 100,000 and four million adults, plus tourists, is something we can't turn a blind eye to. We gave you a chance to regulate yourself, and you obviously can't, so we're going to come in.'"
    "There are a couple of things they can do," Kamin notes. "They could simply start arresting people -- close down for-profit centers, and make life more miserable for people running these businesses. People say they don't have the manpower to arrest all of us, but they don't need to arrest everybody. If they shut down one and you're down the block, you'll get the idea."
    As for marijuana users, federal agents "could go so far as to start enforcing the Controlled Substances Act for possession -- but they're never going to do that," he feels. "Their interest is in the people making money. The large-scale commercial industry makes them squeamish, and that's what we're supposed to authorize come 2013 or 2014. So unless there's a huge change in policy at the federal level, it's hard to believe we'll go from hundreds of medical marijuana dispensaries to potentially thousands of recreational centers.
    "The federal government has been mildly tolerant of medical marijuana, but I can't imagine them saying, 'Go ahead and sell ounces of marijuana to anyone who walks in the door.' I would be surprised if they permit us to fully implement Amendment 64 without a fight."
    "I think what will happen is, we'll get a statement from Washington. My guess is they'll say, 'You're not permitted to sell recreational marijuana in Colorado and Washington. If you seek full implementation of Amendment 64, we will either sue or arrest.'
    "I have no special insights," Kamin emphasizes. "I have no mole in the Justice Department. It's just my sense based on what's gone on in Washington [D.C.] in the last two years in regard to marijuana. It just feels like such an expansion -- to go from serving 100,000 people to serving four or five million -- isn't something they'll stand by and let happen."

    "We gave you a chance to regulate yourself, and you obviously can't, so we're going to come in.'" sounds to me like:
    http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/07/worth_repeating_big_pharma_takeover_of_med_marijua.php
  4. murgatroid42

    murgatroid42 Great Adventurer

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    An article in today's Denver Post mentioned the possibility of tourists coming to CO to ski and smoke, and vacationing in "Aspendam". :stoned
  5. MrBob

    MrBob Out there

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  6. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    Man, a hardened criminal in our midst. :evil

    A friends son was busted on a paraphenalia charge a couple years ago. The kid wanted to become an EMT. While he could still take the classes, nobody would hire him because of a drug related arrest. These kind of victimless crimes have screwed up thousands of lifes and been a meaningless drain on our economy.

    T minus 22 days until we reach the 30 day window for the law to take effect.

    BTW, if you've haven't read the controlled substances act, it's very enlightening. It explains the logic for powdered cocaine having 1/10th the penalty of crack cocaine. By the logic used in the CSA, alcohol should be a more restricted drug than pot, since it has no medical applications. Ironically, the US government obtained a patent on the medical benefits of cannibanoids 10 years ago, yet a schedule 1 classification is based on no medical applications.
  7. bobfab

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  8. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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  9. TNC

    TNC Candyass Camper

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    State's rights? Uh oh! I've heard this before. Who's going to fire the first shot in the marijuana civil war?:lol3
  10. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    Don't worry. It will be a peaceful revolution.

    [​IMG]

    The proposed law is very specific to just this single issue.
  11. Myfuture_yourdebt

    Myfuture_yourdebt Banned

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    The CU-Boulder student body holds their annual 420 gathering as a tradition. The University tried to stop it last year. What do you think is going to happen this year...now that pot is legal?
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    The National Guard will fire the first shots a la Kent State.
  12. HellSickle

    HellSickle Scone Rider

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    What do I think will happen? I think my stock in Hippie Digger equipment manufacturers is gong to plummet. :cry
  13. Myfuture_yourdebt

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    If the Digger was worth anything, Hippies would have capitalized on it years ago. This won't effect Hippie Digger sales whatsoever :deal
  14. jimco

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    Some of you might remember this from a couple of years ago. It happened in Arizona.

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/...21116phoenix-fatal-motorcycle-crash-abrk.html

    This is the problem with legalization and not having any legal limits defining impairment.

    The guy above was "a little impaired" according to one juror, but he killed 4 and injured others.

    I realize meth and pot are different, but I think before pot is legalized we need to define impairment.

    Remember the inmate (in his truck, luckily) who was hit head on by a woman high on pot just a few months ago? Was she "a little impaired?"

    Just my $.02.
    Jim
  15. unaweep

    unaweep Uses lotsa band-aids

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    That kind of false equivalency drives these movements.

    Cops are trained to perform roadside sobriety maneuvers. If they can't establish an individual's impairment with those tests, they need to move along. Sure, roadsides are voluntary. Nonetheless, they are available to request and plenty of other observations are available.

    :norton
  16. whitewater18

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    I think we had plenty of "false equivalencies" during this election cycle. Its obvious that the media has got the majority of folks believing that "false equivalencies" are the absolute truth. :cry
  17. HellSickle

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  18. Myfuture_yourdebt

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    ^^ " Mexico presidential advisor Luis Videgaray said in a radio interview last week: 'Obviously, we can’t handle a product that is illegal in Mexico, trying to stop its transfer to the United States, when in the United States, at least in part of the United States, it now has a different status' "
  19. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Sarcasm free11/11/10

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    "Legalisation of marijuana, as recently voted for by Colorado and Washington states, may wipe billions of dollars from the cartels’ annual profits."

    And you think wiping out billions of dollars of their profits will somehow make the cartels become kinder and gentler? :huh If anything, they will become even more violent trying to protect their dwindling profits.

    And if pot is selling for say...$300/ounce now (illegally from the guy on the corner), and in a few months it becomes legal in Coloradao and you can get it for $300/ounce plus sales tax and the profit margin the retailer requires in order to pay his or her rent and light bill, etc...making it maybe $340/ounce, then why wouldn't people just continue to buy it under the table for $300/ounce from the corner guy?
    We have legal car dealerships here in Colorado, but many of us continue to buy on Craigslist from private parties to save a few bucks. I fail to see why having legal pot stores in Colorado wil put a dent in the illegal private party pot business and the cartels. We have legal gun shops in Colorado, but many people still choose to buy under the table, or private party or black market.

    And what about cocaine? Are the cartels going to stop murdering Mexican mayors over coacaine wars too if pot gets more stateside legalization?

    There are a number of good arguments for legalizing marijuana, but thinking it will put an end to illegal trafficing isnt one of them, and thinking it will save the lives of Mexican Mayors is just pandering.




  20. ironbrewer

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    Pot is easy to grow. If its legal, do you really think it will go up in price?? Plus under the law, it will be legal to cultivate your own.

    Just took a quick look at medical mj prices online. I googled it and looked at the first 5 or so places. The prices ranged from $160 to $210 plus tax. Not sure about the street price, but that seems pretty cheap. I'm thinking medical marijuana has a premium price due to more regulations than just plain old pot store would have. I really don't know though.