Amendment 64

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Amendment 64: The Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act of 2012

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  1. MountainsandRivers

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    Interesting perspective from your sons. The market may just be different over there, or maybe the stores are charging more than here? Maybe the situational is regional, because your view is valid for sure..either way, it's all good! My folks even voted for it, which blew me away..they were big DARE supporters when I was growing up, but now that I kind of am too, we can talk more openly about the realities of it..
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    Dude, I couldn't even find a black market source right now if I wanted to and I've been partaking since high school and still know all the people who use to "hook it up". None of them do anymore and most of them don't even talk to their old sources because the well dried up years ago shortly after MMJ came around and enough people got their cards.

    "illegal sales and drug cartels aren't going anywhere"

    I can believe that about the cartels because they are a diversified business that doesn't run off of one product or service. But you're just plain wrong about the traditional black market. "illegal sales" won't be going anywhere in a sense because people aren't going to follow the new laws to a T, no doubt. But people with illegal grow operations (the traditional black market you're referring to when you say "illegal sales") will not be able to compete with the combination of MMJ, commercial (legal) sales, and what I'd call the "new black market of pot" which are the backdoor deals of dispensaries and other deals violating the new laws not the old ones.

    A study by a Mexican think-tank concluded that legalization will hurt the cartels (your "illegal sales").
    http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/study-legalization-cut-cartel-profits-by-30
    What study have you done?
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    Really, Dude, that's pretty racist. Just because they're "a bunch of mexicans" doesn't mean their opinion is completely ignorant. They're much more familiar with the situation than you are, they're living in it.
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    You lost me with Mexican think tank..is that Jose and Pablo sitting around discussing politics over Cervezas in Baja? I might have a calling!...
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    Over here we started with a bunch of MMJ stores, then that dwindled to just a few. The few that remained (according to my oldest son) got all cocky and acted like a) they were a monopoly and b) they had the best chronic ever in the history of the world and they charged accordingly.
    The combination of "legal" scaricity and predatory pricing ended up driving up demand for the old black market stuff and from what they tell me, it's alive and well.
    I know he can score some deisel from the street at a moment's notice with no problem.


    Whatever. I could care less. I don't buy into HellSickle's tear jerking tug at your (bleeding)heartstrings argument that if more states in the U.S. legalized pot, then drug lords in Mexico would start celebrating Mayoral Appreciation Day.
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    It's "diesel"..are you high or something?:lol3
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    Personally I think most of TheDude's story about the conversations he supposedly had with his sons is a fabrication.

    "The few that remained (according to my oldest son) got all cocky and acted like a) they were a monopoly and b) they had the best chronic ever in the history of the world and they charged accordingly.
    The combination of "legal" scaricity and predatory pricing ended up driving up demand for the old black market stuff and from what they tell me, it's alive and well.
    I know he can score some deisel from the street at a moment's notice with no problem."

    If that was actually part of the story with his sons, why didn't he include it in his first post where he mentioned them? [Hint: because he was crafting this story as he typed and this second part only came to him later conveniently as he needed it to continue arguing his point] If that experience was based in reality, your sons would be telling you how relatively cheap the best-of-the-best is unless they've been living under a rock when it comes to the pot scene. $40 for an 8th of what is among the best bud in the world...that is not expensive especially when that same exact bud would have sold for $100+/8th before MMJ because no such bud was even available to any but a very small minority (those who knew great growers but there were very few professional-quality growers before MMJ hence the proliferation of "ditch weed"/"schwag"). And like I said, even if his sons are actually buying pot illegally, there is really no chance that it could be traced back to a cartel unless they like ditch weed that was compacted by someone's bowel movements during the long journey across the border. In all likelihood, it would be traced back to a dispensary.
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    A great debate going on here. But i think the above post really summarizes it, the black foreign market is dwindling and the grey market is coming up. In the last 5 or so years i have been a resident and "partaker" in PA, CA and now CO. I have held a MMJ card in CA & CO, and was present in CA when dispensaries really started to take off. I also used to be extensively involved in "black markets" in PA & CA more than i would ever admit in writing. My findings and experience is that MMJ has killed the private entrepreneur and the passing of amendment 64 will do the same. Everyone will still always have a guy they deal with however the source is going to be like stated above. No longer is it coming from immigrants or illegal sources, but rather grey markets and stuff that "fell off the truck". That being said the availability has caused the private prices to fall to MMJ pricepoints and i believe it will continue to do so. As someone else said, if prices begin to rise, it is easy enough to cultivate and now legal that folks will do it or have groups of people doing it together.

    To buy into the analogies here, for me personally, i have done micro brewing but buy commercial beer for convenience. MMJ is no different, why bother and waste your own time (often more valuable than the product yield itself).

    edit: spelled yield wrong hahah
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    I never said in the first post that my sons never went into the MMJ stores, and I never said they wouldn't frequent new ones if they open up here. I in fact did say they'd still use them for praphanalia and super deals on close out strains. Same as they did with MMJ shops.
    Loveland got reduced to one bigger one called "The Smithstonian" http://www.kushmagazine.com/component/content/article/1329-smithstonian

    And the owner Gene (who's also a classic car guy) got very "proud" of his product and priced it accordingly. He thought he was the only game in town.
    But yeah stalker, I'm making it up as I go. I don't really know anything about MMJ in Loveland or what my kids tell me.
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    So was it "the few that remained" that felt like they had a monopoly and the best stuff so they priced it accordingly, or was it the Smithsonian? Or both? I don't think anyone was questioning whether or not they went into dispensaries or whether or not they would frequent new ones if they opened up (presumably you're talking about commercial stores)...so I'm not sure why you're mentioning them.

    Calling you on your BS doesn't make me a stalker.
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    Both. But in the end, I think only the Smithstonian was left standing. And maybe one other, but it was owned by the same guy/family.

    The other reason I know about this (apart from my sons) is that a very close family friend is (was and will be again) in the business. He and his brother are growers and licensed MMJ operators. They did very well for themselves for a short while and made enough to purchase two nice homes (cash, as they literaly couldn't find a bank to finance them with their only source of income being legal MMJ sales revenues) and cars, etc.

    Now for the past year, they have been black marketers. And they still do very very well. One of the two brothers is planning on dispersing his growing ops, continuing to buy from the "source" he's had for years that makes up for what he can't grow and then open up a store front or two in the area. He plans to "sell out the front to the new market and out the back to my regulars". Why pay taxes on it when he doesn't have to.

    You can call me a liar, or say I made it up, but I literally just talked to the guy on Fri afternoon, and when his shop opens in a year or so, I'll give you the businesses name and address. He's a cool guy. And if I'm going to send business anywhere, it might as be to a friend of the family.
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    No, it's all your other behavior that makes you a stalker.

    And there was no BS either. I just had my annual BBQ, you coulda come up and visited with my boys. Ask them whatever weed questions you wanted. Try to corner them about whatever lies you think I fabricated. But there's always next year. Come on up and drink a few cold ones. I got nothing to hide.
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    And what behavior would that be?
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