Amendment 64

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by Mike D, Oct 26, 2012.

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Amendment 64: The Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act of 2012

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  1. MeterPig

    MeterPig Meh

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    To your points:

    1. You voted to spend more tax money on imprisonment, police busy work, end careers, and stereotype people. You voted to continue a policy that does not work, has not worked and will enrich cartels leading to more death and destruction.

    2. Some people use the existing Pharma system to get well-some use it to get high, stay high or just stay addicted. Should we end the Pharma system? I can walk into my Doctors office right now for knee pain and walk out with a prescription. If I press my doctor, he will give me pretty much whatever I want.

    3. Driving impaired with any drug, legal or otherwise, is illegal and against the law. There is no test for any Pharma drug in regards to driving-which should MJ be singled out? Either the cop believes the person is impaired or not. Your narrative proves nothing. Alcohol can be bought right now on the shelves. Three drinks of Vodka and I am drunk. Should we reinstate prohibition? Your narrative really proves that advanced medicine can overcome what once was a death blow. MJ isn't the bogeyman here-the user is.

    Nobody is arguing that legalization will making driving impaired illegal. A little note on DUI's. It used to be if you were impaired, that was it. But that wasn't good enough-enough people weren't going to jail, getting higher rates of insurance and generally speaking-the people weren't scared enough. Out came "the test". So impaired or not, you are "drunk". Before you get all excited, a cop can bust you for .05 and screw with your life. People want a time machine to prevent drunk deaths-they believe the DUI test is that. People still drink and drive every week. ]]

    4. Comparing gun toting cartels which chop off heads to a few rednecks in the backwoods is quite a stretch. Yeah, people still do illegal stuff. See point 3. You don't see cartels making moonshine, cutting down forests, dumping pesticides in the forest...etc. I think we can agree hard liquor laws are stupid and only serve to protect certain players.

    5. Who cares? The body builds up resistance. Either a person is impaired or they are not. If they are a long term smoker, then they build up resistance. That has been proven. The washington initiative by the way does instill a bad idea into their law-DUI. Making instant criminals out of good people.

    6. Call up any cop-they are the standard for impaired driving.

    7. Is MMJ a failure because the user opts to use in the parking lot? Is Walgreens a failure if I pop some Oxycontin in the parking lot? If it's a problem, the cops enforce driving impaired by hanging out-just like they do around bars. Oh wait, if I pop some shots in the store parking lot-is prohibition the answer? You called the cop-case closed. Why is it different?


    Your reasoning is based on fear, stereotypes and the long lost hope that banning something will make it go away. This has resulted in ruined lives, minorities imprisoned in extremely high rates, cartels becoming a force to be reckoned with while we sit back and say "if we just ban it, the problem will go away".

    I hope you are happy with your choice.




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  2. MeterPig

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    You have this link?



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  3. Myfuture_yourdebt

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  4. ABritOnMaui

    ABritOnMaui Been here awhile

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    So (and this is not a loaded question, I'm being totally genuine, a shock on the internet I know! )I personally don't have an answer but would love to hear your thoughts. How do we test fairly? I think it's in everyone's interests to have a fair test for impairment, it's just a case of figuring out what is fair, reliable and not open to abuse.

    Any arbitrary chemical test won't take into account body size, tolerance levels etc and people will fall either side incorrectly, and any 'sobriety' style test will throw false results. Having witnessed plenty of these and failed one when stone cold sober (cop friend having a laugh) I can attest to them being pretty unreliable and also open to abuse from that small minority of LEO's who are less than perfect. Seriously, I can happily discuss the quaternary structure of haemoglobin, but ask me the alphabet backwards at 4am (or to be fair any time really) and I don't stand a chance. It's one hell of a tough situation to figure out and there will likely always be some small but notable level of abuse and error.
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  5. ironbrewer

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  6. Narsisco Lopez

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    Thank you for your service and thanks for supporting LEAP! :thumb
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  7. VxZeroKnots

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    I voted yes because I feel the government's purpose is to enforce the rights and liberties of it's citizens as the people see fit, not limit them against the will of the people. If this passes, it will probably be squashed by the Fed but like others have said it has to start somewhere. Also, making it an amendment to the state constitution is not the best way to go about it, but perfect is the enemy of done. On the list of serious conversations our country needs to have with itself this issue is admittedly near the bottom but I'm glad there are whispers coming from the corners of the room.
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  8. TNC

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    Man, you hit upon a good point about the taxation issue. I seem to recall about how states would cure their education finance woes with the lottery system. Just fill in the blank with whatever activity that the government can tax or get revenue from, and you'll find a government more than capable of spending and wasting that "extra" revenue in very competent fashion. If you want to vote for legalizing marijuana for a "freedom of choice" issue then do so, but don't try to trumpet how great the taxation results will benefit mankind.:lol3
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  9. Oldwin1

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    Wow. I almost went all political on here. :lol3 Had to do a lot of deleting. The thing I hate is when people get stoned and ride 5 mph on the highway. :rofl
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  10. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Sarcasm free11/11/10

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    Best pot scene ever.:deal

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  11. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Sarcasm free11/11/10

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    Thank you for your input. I took your advice and did my own research. I watched a well funded and highly respected documentary called "The Big Lebowski" and according to these experts, this is what happens if you smoke a J then operate a motor vehicle :deal

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  12. VxZeroKnots

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    "Do a J" is the preferred nomenclature dude.
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  13. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Sarcasm free11/11/10

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    :rofl:rofl

    Kind of like "Chinaman"
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  14. MeterPig

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    People would be bitching if there was no taxation.
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  15. VxZeroKnots

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    The "Chinaman" is not the issue here dude, amiwrong!?

    (I can do this all day, I should just stop now)
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  16. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Sarcasm free11/11/10

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    Calmer than you are.
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  17. TNC

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    I think you're probably right, but I'm so tired of phoniness in our society. People should just man up and tell it like it is and base their argument on their real motive. Alcohol prohibition was just as phony.:D
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  18. MeterPig

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    Here is the thing-people really, really want drugs and alcohol...and prostitutes. But that's another issue all together. So if they want something, why not tax it? I would be all for taxing things that people want and dropping income taxes all together.
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  19. Greco

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    Fair enough. I voted against it because I don't believe this is the right time to do it and I don't like the way it was proposed. I also don't believe a change to the state constitution is the way to go. That is my only argument.
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  20. toddler

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    I could not care less about the tax or economic issues of marijuana.

    I could not care less about the safety issues of marijuana

    What I do care about is the government telling adults what they can or can not do to their own bodies. I'll vote "yes" for the simple fact that this is a step in a direction I like.

    Freedom!
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