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Discussion in 'Europe' started by yayabiko, Dec 1, 2008.
Many thanks, ssteve!
It's even cheaper to buy bikes in the uk.. there's a bit of a vacuum right now of choice bikes getting exported to Europe. I've been eyeing up a 950 super Enduro. in NL they are 8-9000 euro(if you can even find one) but you can pick them up in the UK for 5300-6000 gbp...well worth the hassle of it all.
Keep in mind when looking at it that the import tax gets scaled down to match the age of the bike ( i.e i think it drops 20% after the first year i.e 2008 bike, for a 2000 R1150GS it's -80%)
have a look at www.autotrader.co.uk
Calling in from Zoetermeer the Netherlands. Current ride is a '78 FLH Shovel, but I want to expand the garage with a good allroad travel bike (GS/Tenere/AT or something like that...DR650/XR650)
Hi Ruud You may want to register on www.allroadmaniacs.nl , . you will be the only Shovelhead, i believe, but lo'ts of allroad/adventure bikes there.
Yeah, I'm lurking there sometimes. I have zero experience offroad, but I would love to try sometime.
I would like to have a travelbike that could take me to the NorthCape (and maybe South America in 2011) with the ocasional of the beaten track route (probably more gravel than mud or sand). So maybe a 70% travel/30% offroad bike, so a GS or a Tenere/AT would suit me. How does your TT cope for these kind of travels?
I see my TTR more as a 50/50 bike. I rode it in Tunesia ans Spain, with a bigger Acerbis tank, and did several roadbook trips on it, a Frans Verhoeven enduro training, a few rally weekends ... and also ride it on the road frequently. I have a TT350 for KNMV off-road rides, that are a lot tougher on a bike, but i have done several of them on the 600, too.
I know a guy (Sander Dol) who is using a TTR to go from Alaska to Terra del Fuego (half-way there) http://sanderonasingle.blogspot.com/
I think a single cilinder is the best of both worlds, i just happen to like a TTR, but is guess you could have the same experiences with a Suzuki DR650, or a Beemer X-Challenge, or similar bikes,
If i would buy new, the new 660 Tenere would be #1 on my list
First of all an intro, this is my first post and I was taught to be polite and introduce yourself..
I'm Dutch but have lived in The US, Argentina, Switzerland and of course here in rainy Holland, The Hague to be exact.
Got my motorcycle license just under a year ago and have been riding my thumping great Suzuki DR800 (1994) ever since.
Half way through January I should be on my first trip and in an effort not to die I'd like to benefit from the wisdom of y'all!
I'm planning a 3 week trip through Tunisia and woefully unprepared. Panniers, rack, better Helmet... Anyone here in Holland know a good store that wont bleed me dry like the BMW dealers and give me good advice? I may make the rack myself (cant find a ready made that fits) but I'm looking for some panniers or good old ammo boxes. Any ideas?
Ah yes... and I own a banjo... has anyone ever transported a similar instrument on a bike? The temptation to make a banjo shaped pannier is enormous... if only to see the look on peoples faces when I ride by!
There is a DR-Big club in Holland, who can give you all the bike related info you need, altough i am sure non of them have a banjo
I have been to Tunesia 2 year ago, with Ortlieb bags. No rack needed, but i fabricated some brackets to make sure the bags/sidepanel staid clear of the exhaust. I have sold them, but for a future trip i would go to an Army supplies store and get me some heavy-dutybags, that can be trown over the saddle, with the same brackets.
Hy, I am Ad from Groessen near Arnhem. I drive a lc8 950 and did some travelling in the past years ( almost 33 years of driving a bike ). Plans for the future are Albania in 2011 and Kyrgistan again in 2012. This year Turkey and America but not by bike.
It happens more then you think. Most people dont do it because they are lazy or want a NEW bike. My advise:
- an occassion -> Buy it in England
- a new bike -> Buy it here
If a bike is 2 years old and has ran at least 6.000 km you dont have to pay the major BPM + BTW (taxes over taxes... only possible in the Netherlands). So yes, you pay the BPM regardless, but it isnt that much for an 'older' bike.
Here you can see (dutch) the values: http://douane.nl/variabel/bpm/bpm-31.html#P702_60792
(Calculations are made by a guy nicknamed vmaxxx)
The base price on which everything is calculated, the net catalogue price. That is for a ZX-6R from 2000 10,436.
The BPM and BTW are calculated on the net catalogue price, so you need to know that to calculate the BPM you have to pay.
We dont need to use the BTW in these calculations.
(The BPM is 9.6% if the net list is less than 2133, and there is no fixed amount reduction, so a different formula there.)
Catalogue price = net catalogue price + bpm - 210
CP = NCP + (NCP * 0,194) - 210
10436 = x + (x * 0,194) -210
10646 = 1,194x
x = 8916,25
So the net catalogue price is 8916,25.
BPM = (NCP * 0,194) - 210
(If the net catalogue price is less than 2133 bpm it is 9.6%, and there is no fixed amount reduction, then the formula is different.)
x = (8916.25 * 0.194) - 210
x = 1519.75
The BPM was 1519.75 so when the motorcycle was new.
But since the motorcycle has about 8 years old, you do not pay the full amount, but you get a discount, that discount can be calculated in different ways, namely:
* Depreciation based on a bike evaluation
* Depreciation based on the trade price list
* Depreciation based scales (see the link above)
In my example I use the scales, because that is the same for each motorcycle.
Suppose that the motorcycle is 8 years old, then the depreciation rate will be: 100% = 84.267% -15.733%
The residual value of the motorcycle is 8916.25 * 0.15733 = 1402.79
BPM Calculation: 1402.79 * 0.194 - 210 = 272.14 - 210 = 62.14
This amount would therefore be the amount you should have to pay customs.
So.. it can be alot cheaper to buy in the UK by example. A Daytona 675 would be like 10.000 euro's in the NEtherlands... but could be 6.000 euro's in the UK.
Hi BTW :)
Im from the Netherlands. 27 year old and living near Utrecht. Still riding a CBR 600F (poser pic):
But I will start 2010 bikeless and buy a KTM Adventure 990 in March of 2010.
In the house :)
Emile from Leerdam NL/Düsseldorf DE riding a XL 600 LM
and having big plans for the future
see ya all soon
After not searching and starting a new thread I was directed here, so without further ado: hello!
Another Amsterdam resident signing in.
I see there is (or was) quite a few folks in Amsterdam. If anyone'd be up for some drinks or a ride sometime drop me a PM, first round's on me.
Of course it's on you. It's always to n00b's turn to buy...
hahaha! PM me for the drink or ride.
Perhaps somebody recognise some places.
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Another Dutch guy here, living just south of Nijmegen and used to regularly ride between here and Zutphen where my girl lives. If it weren't for a ruptured battery I'd still be doing so. In the market for a "new" bike now.
There isn't much dirt around here, some interesting roads though. Like the "zevenheuvelenweg" (Seven Hills road)
It's steep and bendy, you might just be able to get your bike airborn on some of those climbs. Maybe I'll take a camera along for a ride on it some day.
What is that!!?? :huh A hill!?? That looks very non-NL! I'll have to go for a ride and check that out! mind you it's proberly a tourist attraction with bus loads of dutch tourists taking photos.............
Actually, it's very hilly (is that even an proper word?) there. The geological area around Nijmegen is a "stuwwal" (Earth cache? A ridge formed by glaciers in the ice age.)
Here are some GPS coordinates you REALLY should give a go:
Some of the steepest roads I know here (up to 13%). You can do them all in under an hour. Or if you wait until I have a new bike (currently in the market as my ride is shot) I'd gladly ride with you and show you the area.
Nijmegen, and especially to it's east and south east is stunning and very hilly. By Dutch standards at least.
While looking for pictures I actually came across this (Dutch, sorry) site: www.klimbijnijmegen.nl With a description on almost all the steep inclines here, in categories. It's a bicycle site but don't let that stop you.
Hey there, Nico calling from a firestation in the Amsterdam Bronx
seen a lot of GSen around but with nonADV dudes on them.
Macho's in jeans, pilothelmet and a bomberjacket.
I'm riding a blue Transalp 650, and trying to keep her dirty. Just returned from a 5 weeks trip around eastern/northern europe. RR coming up.