An American's observations of Scottish roads

Discussion in 'Europe' started by ELB, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. motion

    motion Been here awhile

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    I find the speed cameras in the UK and Australia to be absolutely oppressive and depressing. Those countries won't be getting any more of my tourist dollars.
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  2. nickguzzi

    nickguzzi Long timer

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    The signs for speed cameras don't signify that there is a camera. There may even be no facility for a camera at all.
    They have become the new way of saying slow down - because so many people ignored the previous advice and serious accidents and even death resulted. This is how it works in England and Wales, Scotland is a different jurisdiction.

    I said before, my county has at least 50 proper sites, yet only three cameras. There are no sites on roads I ride for fun.
    There are roads in Norfolk where I have never seen police, and roads where I can guarantee to see them.
    Funnily enough, the same indicators work in France and Germany too.
    People who get repeatedly busted, probably should be thinking of a different hobby.

    Road deaths and serious injury in the UK is about 1/3 the rate for the US - so perhaps that is what it takes. Sure all the restrictions are a pain but they apply to others too and that may just help you keep alive.
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  3. DavidM1

    DavidM1 Unicorn hunting

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    Aha, my recent trip in the US makes sense now. For a while I thought the speedo on the Kawasaki was way out, but I just went with the flow.

    I found that a bit annoying in the US, the ridiculously low speed limits on a lot of roads (and most bends!). And double central yellow lines almost everywhere!
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  4. Johann

    Johann commuterus tankslapperus

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    Built up areas are a pain, as is most of the SE of England, but the good stuff is so good it is worth perservering. The riding in Scotland, parts of the SW and Wales are as good as anything you´ll find anywhere in Europe but as ever local knowledge is the key.
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  5. Montford

    Montford Been here awhile

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    Glad to hear you enjoyed your trip to Scotland.

    I still think we are quite lucky here in the number of fixed speed cameras we have compared to England and Wales,the further North you go the better it gets,I can't think of any fixed cameras North of Inverness, although there are plenty of mobile units in the speeding hotspots especially during the summer months.

    Even the average speed cameras on the A9 between Stirling and Inverness have a decent amount of leeway and as long as you keep an eye out for additional mobile units you can keep up a decent pace,it also helps that all but 2 of the cameras are forward facing so cant get bikes.
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  6. norseXL

    norseXL Northman

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    Speed-cameras in Norway don't target motorcycles, just saying...
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  7. ELB

    ELB Adventurer

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    OP here.

    From the testimonials of actual UK/European residents here, it sounds like my speed camera nightmares were exaggerated. It appears that, armed with a bit of knowledge, you can still have plenty of fun on your bike there. Consider my dreams of a European motorcycle tour back on the bucket list.

    Now I just have to do it before the mothballing of internal combustion engines and domination of self-driving cars.

    - ELB
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  8. mountainG

    mountainG n00b

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    Good to hear you enjoyed a trip through my back garden, you passed through my home town!

    There a many many miles of cracking routes through the north that are perfect for a peaceful adventure dawdle with little traffic, often single track routes reveal the best scenery in the highlands.
    If its a quicker ride your after there's plenty as well. Just keep off the main trunk routes and look out for the sheep, gravel, tractors, the usual country fare.
    Mid summer late evenings are great with a late sunset and you'll find the camper crew have packed up for the day :)

    Only bad thing about here.... NO legal off road opportunities at all.

    I've been through France and Spain a few times and the same goes, the less travelled road is by far the best.
    We travelled for hours one Sunday morning through rural France passing through several towns which felt utterly deserted, as if from some apocalypse film!
    In Spain, on a fresh 2 lane motorway, just us two bikes for miles in the heat of the plains...... odd experience.

    You have to love travel by bike :)
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  9. ELB

    ELB Adventurer

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    I envy you your backyard. Scotland is spectacular and has the roads to go with it.

    But I heard you on the lack of offroad opportunities. Plus, you mentioned riding in France. So I expect you'll appreciate this: MotoGeo's Pyrenees Adventure

    (If it's on the long side for you, be sure to watch at 5:45 and 9:30.)

    - ELB
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  10. Deuce

    Deuce Crazy Canuck

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    Those are motorcycle passing lanes. :lol3

    :1drink
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  11. mountainG

    mountainG n00b

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    Cheers ELB.
    That was a good video showing rural Pyrenees riding. Dreaming of travel again....
    :)
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