Android Tablet: Waterproof, glove-friendly, visible in daylight?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by NorskieRider, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Albie

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    I almost never buy a new release product when it first comes out. I waited a while before I got my 5 so you could very well be right. I know my 6S+ I got at least a few months after they were released. I think the S6 had already been announced when I got my Galaxy S5.
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  2. EastRoad

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    I VERY rarely buy first release first-gen products...
    the 5 was a bit of an exception from that, as I got an extremely good deal on it.. in all fairness it was a great phone, especially with the subsequent updates to iOS.

    as of yesterday I've changed to the Samsung S7 (replacing my S5 that had an unfortunate 3m drop to a concrete floor, didn't like it to say the least).. bought it used from a guy who had bought it new in october 16... still has warranty and not a scratch... the guy just had to buy the new S8 ... haha... good for me.. 200$ for a mint condition (almost) top-of-the-line model.
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  3. Ogre_fl

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    This is a cross post from Equipment.

    I have been playing with the IPX67 rated Galaxy Tab Active and finally took some photos.
    I have a SlipGrip cradle with a RAM ball & arm.
    It's very tidy, but no where near as stout as a typical RAM cradle that I use for my Garmins.

    The Tab Active has better visibility in the sun than my ancient Nuvi 550, but no where near as good as my Montana.
    It does not work well with gloves, but does have an onboard stylis and hard buttons.
    Jury is still out on routing vs Garmin, I still have a LOT to learn.
    I have used OsmAnd and Co-Pilot, both have outdated maps compared to Garmin, some roads several years old are not on there.

    Its size is overkill for normal routing but it does make an amazing moving map.
    On my bikes I think it's too big, but I own it and will continue to try it out.

    My Tab Active is a wifi only, I picked it up for about $125 just to try out the concept.
    I am considering & researching tethering it to my cell.

    I use a simple hard wired angled usb plug.
    It's wrapped up & hidden in that shot as I don't use it often.
    I dont know how long it is going to last though, its seems like the weakest link in the tablet as a GPS concept.

    As far as the charging/powering, according to the specs the usb on the Tab active is waterproof "as is" without any added covers.
    I guess that means it should work in the rain, but I would like to devise some kind of a seal around the plug.
    I have not used it in the rain and would probably just unplug and run on the battery.

    It also has POGO pins for charging/power on the bottom/side similar to my Montana which is waterproof.
    RAM has a powered cradle that uses those, but could not tell for sure that cradle/power setup itself is waterproof.
    There is another supplier that makes a powered cradle too, that one looked waterproof.
    Both were more money than I wanted to spend at the time so I went with the SlipGrip.

    If this becomes something I replace my Garmins with, I will look into a better cradle & power set up.

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  4. NorskieRider

    NorskieRider Been here awhile

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    That looks like a nice setup.

    What I ended up doing is getting a Samsung S7, which is IPX67, and mounting with the Perfect Squeeze. I cache google maps; I've played a little with osmand and locus but I'm not yet sold on them. I've got a USB outlet and plug in to charge; I may improve on that with the qi wireless over the winter.

    The S7 isn't glove friendly, so I've tried the nanotips paint on stuff and it works well ... until it wears off, which it does after a week of touring, so I need to re-apply. That's really my only complaint at the moment.
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  5. Myway

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    Outdated,........
    Now you know, you have to blame yourself when with the next map update that they are not on the map.:jack
    A lot of apps use the free Openstreetmap database, crowd sourced, roads drawn in by volunteers, you could be a volunteer too. And drawn the roads in, "This is how it works !!" Openstreetmap.org Tutorials on the web.
    The learning how to draw, you learn, what is important for routing, then you understand the why it is not routing correctly and can solve it by yourself, others thank you for that.
    Apps are free or paid, but you never have paid for Openstreetmapdata. Spend some time to do it. :D. You be proud., that you contribute, :D. Thanks.
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  6. Ogre_fl

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    Hell I am struggling just to learn how to get the dang apps to do what I want, and you want me to figure out how to fix the maps too. :-)

    That said, yes the maps are worth more than I paid for them.
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  7. Myway

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    There is a step in between, give it a note, very easy, ........
    Go to http://www.openstreetmap.org/, go to the place where the problem is, zoom in , rightclick on the problem place as exact as possible and choose, add a note here, then write, description of the problem. :deal
    Do that for every road you miss.
    Better is to make a account and log in then your name is with the note and people can ask if they have a question about the problem, and you get a notification if the problem is solved. :-)

    Later you can solve your own notes, :rofl:thumb.

    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Notes
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  8. DaMonk45

    DaMonk45 I B Da Monk

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    I am a rookie, some of the stuff I find is WAY over my head.
    The add note works great and more experienced users can help/do or at least check my work.
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  9. Myway

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    Just ask here in a new Openstreetmap question thread, or pm, what to check.

    When you have a routing problem go the several routing sites and try to reproduce the problem, narrow it to set icon more to each other.
    Then copy the permalink of this situation en post paste this link as info.
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  10. DesertDonor

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    Oh neat, this is just the thread I was looking for.

    I've struggled with navigation on my Vstrom. Not because I struggle with navigation in general, but because the phone, a Nexus 5X, generally won't charge. So I am either limited to the phone's battery life, which isn't great with the screen on maximum brightness and navigating. Then, I arrive at my destination with a dead phone. Not good.

    I've tried different chargers, different cables, screen on, screen off, everything. There's no way around this: It's a heat issue. Almost any time the sun's out and it's even a bit warm, the phone gets so hot it will either only charge very very slowly or will discharge despite being plugged in.

    Over the summer, I stopped bothering to plug my 5X into the charger, because it almost never charged. This was especially bad in stop-and-go traffic, but cruising on the freeway didn't really help, despite the ventilation. About the only time I got charging on summer rides was early in the morning, when it was still cool and the sun was barely up.

    If I tuck the phone into my tank bag, it will sometimes charge, being shielded from the sun. In truly hot weather, though, even this doesn't help. And in any case, having to have the phone tucked away defeats the purpose of using it for navigation.

    So what I'm wondering is, are you guys with your fancy, ruggedized tablets seeing them not charge due to heat? Did you see that happen in summer only perhaps?

    My phone mostly charges fine in the winter, but it has to be pretty cool out. Cooler than it is most of the year, in my location.

    I would really hate to shell out for a tablet, then find it can't be kept charged because it gets too hot. Unfortunately, heat is going to be a problem with any device I could mount. There simply is no shade to be had. I have a Ram X-mount on my handlebars, and a "shelf" just behind the windshield. Both locations receive full sunlight, all day long.

    FWIW, I use OSMAnd+ and like it a lot. I only use Google Maps in cities since it is so network-dependent.

    I gave up on using my phone with gloves on. Especially in the winter, when I'm wearing heated gloves that are so bulky, I couldn't touch the screen accurately even if it recognized the touch. I am going to have to snag one of those retractable tether things for my stylus. That's a great idea!
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  11. chrisjk

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    How about using a device with a replaceable battery? Or, two cheap phones?
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  12. DesertDonor

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    Well I'm trying not to spend extra money on something of limited use (such as an old phone). And carry extra stuff I can't use off the bike. But if an old, deactivated phone were cheap enough...maybe.

    Unfortunately, there are very few smartphones with a removable battery these days. That option might actually work.
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  13. DaMonk45

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    I think both of the duraforce models are removable
    I know my xd is, but I am not sure about the pro
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  14. plumer1kt

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    if the problem is when charging try the use of a smaller amp output charger for your phone.
    Less charge amp =less heat.
    I have a 500 mA charger for my tablet which cannot charge it when navigating but can hold the charge level stable.
    eg. If i start riding with 75℅ level on my battery it will stay there as long as i am riding.
    Only problem is that ,if for any reason i want to full charge the tablet i have to shut it down and wait 4-6 hours
    try a smaller charger....it is cheap
    also there is an application called ''BATTERY' HD'' that app shows a graph of charge level voltage and temp for your phone's battery.might be useful data
    but everything i wrote is USELESS when the phone/tablet is in DIRECT SUNLIGHT in summer and with ambient temp over 40C' ,that's over 50C' in sunlight
    you just take a warning minutes before auto shutdown and there is nothing you can do....
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  15. DesertDonor

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    Depends on the device. My 5X has a temperature sensor in the battery. If the battery is too hot, the charging circuit will draw less or no current. You are correct, charging too fast can heat the battery, which is why the charging logic doesn't let that happen. Lithium ion batteries do not behave well when overheated.

    This can be really annoying on a motorcycle. As you say, direct sunlight ruins everything.

    I dealt with this all summer. The phone just isn't designed to work when exposed to sunlight. Charges like a champ in my car...where it's shaded, and sitting right in front of an air conditioning vent.

    I'm reading about the Kyocera phones mentioned here. I will need a replacement phone at some point anyway, and it would be nice if it could double as on-bike navigation device. The price is about right too (I refuse to spend $600+ on a phone).
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    The good news is, I have time to shop around.

    I might be willing to do a GPS- and WiFi-only device. I'm not real keen on having to have a second cellular plan to support device #2 anyway. I can tether to my 5X if it comes to that (one of the nice features of my cellular carrier, they don't charge extra for tethering).

    I forgot all about touchscreen usability. I think the sad truth is that as long as it has a capacitive touchscreen, which any smartphone will, it won't work with gloves. Not without modifying the gloves, or avoiding the problem by using a stylus.

    A smartphone stylus works fine in the winter, though. I briefly owned a pair of heated gloves with special material on some fingertips to let you use a touchscreen device. It wasn't worthwhile. The gloves were so bulky, being meant for the cold, that it was impossible to touch precisely enough to operate a phone. So I just kept using my stylus.
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  17. DaMonk45

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    my phone works with gloves, almost. I find them way to big and bulky to actually use.
    I have a stylus on my ram mount for stuff like that.
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  18. DesertDonor

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    Right, I use the stylus year-round. Even my "warm weather" gloves are way too bulky to do touchscreen stuff.
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  19. plumer1kt

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    since my first gingerbread back in 2012 every phone/tablet i owned had that sensor, the same one that power off the phone in extreme heat (a warning appears on the screen minutes before).
    using a smaller charger,temp rises slower and takes more time to reach the threshold level.
    we must not forget that battery temp rises when discharging also.
    using gps and a fully illuminated screen on a phone/tablet makes temp to rise more even when is not charged at that time (use the app i mentioned before to check this)
    yes you must look for another phone with better power efficiency.
    maybe with LI-PO battery that they don't heated to much as LI-ION .that's personal observation
    i made a 2 hour trip this summer in ambient temp of 44C'-111F' (shade)
    53C'-127F'(reading on the TRAILTECH temp gauge)
    my LI-PO tablet survived that trip placed above the instrument panel and direct sunlight (GPS-GOOGLE MAPS and WIFI on) while my LI-ION phone inside the tank bag was dead after 45 minutes (MOBILE DATA and PORTABLE WI-FI was on)
    both devices where charged at tat time and the result was that i lost my navigation on the tablet.i had no web connection any more.
    don't know if mobile data and portable wifi draw more energy and if the tablet was cooled from the air (speed was 120-130 km/h)
    i think LI-PO batteries work better in high temps.
    any feedback about batteries will be useful from anyone
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  20. DaMonk45

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    One thing you will find no matter what device you use. If you turn it on in Airplane mode it will use less power and less heat.
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