Annoyed by Garmin Zoom Level detail? - Act now!

Discussion in 'GPS 101 - Which GPS For Me' started by MotoTex, Aug 1, 2012.

  1. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    The zoom level is a cartography issue. I had a dialogue back and forth with someone in the Garmin Cartography section last year and he explained it this way:

    (Me) Can you tell me who makes the choice as to how much detail shows on the screen at any given zoom scale? Perhaps there could be some way set City Nav to display the same kind of detail as the Enhanced Basemaps? That would be the ideal solution, I think. It just seems like such a waste to have such detailed maps, such a great display on the Montana, yet so little visible map detail when we zoom out past the 1.2 km scale.

    That would be a really awesome solution.


    (Cartography Mailbox)
    4/23/12

    to me
    Thank you for the reply.

    A bit of it depends on us, but most depends on the data supplier and how they have classified the detail (collector roads, unpaved roads, arterial roads, and so forth).

    I hear what you are talking about with the NavTeq data every so often and can understand based on my own experiences out in some rural areas here in the Lower 48.

    They tend to lower classifications to “reduce clutter.”

    I’m sure you have the detail set to most (it can help a little, but like I say you know what you are doing so I’m sure you have done that already).

    I can’t do much, but I can pass that up the food chain, too. For what it is worth, I tend to (just from my own personal point of view) agree with you.

    Best regards,
    Loy
    Garmin Cartography Admin
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  2. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    It may be a cartography issue, but I see more detail with Open Street Maps when zoomed out than I do with NAVTEQ maps.

    Wha? I was going to tell you that another poster in this thread has the same experience and it turns out to be . . . Emmbeedee. You!
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  3. madnomad

    madnomad greece2india

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    I just realized this on my GPSMAP 78 and I cannot believe that they don't give us the option to choose in which zoom level every detail appears. That's one of the most obvious features that maps and GPS's offer, usually!
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  4. Dustodust

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    its the crappy software

    designed by some nerd at a desk, not an actual adventurer

    the old Roads and Recs shows it. better get one before they are all gone
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  5. madnomad

    madnomad greece2india

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    The thing is that R&R is only for USA, if I am not mistaking. I am looking for African maps. Actually, I found great maps: Garmin City Navigator Pan-Africa and Tracks4Africa have a lot of dirt roads, but I can see them only at 5 km zoom level and some of them only at 1.2 km zoom level!
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  6. FatChance

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    Wait, are you saying that software is actually developed by some nerd at a desk? Who knew?

    As an actual adventurer, why don't you go ahead and develop some good software that we can all use? :dunno
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  7. RomaDakota

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    During beta on a certain Zumo unit, the detail level was changed on the fly with a firmware update (secondary roads originally where viewable on 0.8 scale and were reduced to 0.5 scale).
    Complain, but done expect anything. I have been very vocal for years. My only minimal success may have been mapscale on the 660s; original release firmware came without mapscale!!
    If any of the developers actually rode a motorcycle......
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  8. genka

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    This is a screen from StreetPilot 2720

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    From Zumo 660

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    Same lcation, same zoom level.
    It seems they intentionally make it worse.
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  9. Disco Stu

    Disco Stu Long timer

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    just submitted a complaint via the link that was provided in the first post.
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  10. Sundog

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    It really is insane. As soon as you zoom out to actually tell where you are going, the road goes away. Have no one at Garmin actually used their product recently?
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  11. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    For the record, I would like more detail when zoomed out. But . . .

    Sometimes a GPS works "better" for me when I just follow the directions. That means look at the device and turn when it says so. No looking ahead. No choosing my own route. No second-guessing where it's supposed to lead me. I have a lot of trouble actually doing that since they rarely choose a route I want. The setup option of "all freeway or no freeway" seems to be the biggest failure of the GPS units I've used -- sometimes a 2-mile section of freeway leads to hundreds of miles of nice 2-lane.

    For a Garmin employee testing a GPS, they'd select a destination and see if it successfully directed them there. Trying to guess which roads the K1600 rider would use, which roads the WR250 rider would use, and which roads the Ultra Glide rider would use would be a pretty difficult task.

    I do wish someone would try to write a better routing program, though. (Plus show more detail when zoomed out.)
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  12. Icy_

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    Hahah. exact opposite utilization of GPS from me. I don't want the GPS to reroute, I don't like following it. I want it to keep North up, stop zooming, stop rotating, show me where I am, highlight the route that I planned without modifying it, without trying to steer me to it, show me the roads, tracks, whatever is available around me and I will find my way, my way.

    Garmin and TomTom both have failed me so many times that I am at my wits end about switching to a compass and a map.
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  13. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    I hear ya. After describing how it works "better" I said
    But then I don't plan routes in advance either. I'm usually out there trying to find interesting roads that "go through" toward my destination.

    My point is that Garmin units provide directions that "work" for getting to the nearest mall. Problem solved as far as Garmin is concerned. Just follow the directions and it will "work". Interesting roads or fun rides aren't part of the Garmin equation.
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  14. Icy_

    Icy_ Stationary Traveller

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    oh I agree on those points. taken on that angle garmin gps' are actually quite brilliant. I still can't understand how well the road signs and exits are depicted with the background - they match reality! :) using it in the car is actually quite enjoyable - ditto.
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  15. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    I want the GPS to tell me where I am. Garmin wants the GPS to help me with where I'm going.

    The older GPS units, like the 478 I currently have, the 2730, etc would give me the detail that I want. The new one? No.

    And thus, why I haven't upgraded...
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  16. mcnut

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    Just curious what you are asking for?
    I think with the proper maps loaded they all give a graphical representation of current location. By touching the vehicle icon or triangle you get Lat & Lon, elevation and nearest emergency services.

    Bruce
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  17. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    The older GPS units give enough street detail that I don't really need a map. It's even so bad that often times, while traveling on an Interstate Highway, I can't tell what town I just passed. Yep, Garmin doesn't show the town name on the screen.
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  18. TRZ Charlie

    TRZ Charlie That's MR. Asshole

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    That's what street signs are for.
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  19. Lobby

    Lobby Viel Spass, Vato!

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    Yeh.

    :rolleyes
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  20. Grinnin

    Grinnin Forever N00b

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    Different maps display different levels of detail. Works on Montana and nuvi.

    With OSM enabled and CNNA disabled, the Montana shows every shared gravel road and many longer single-dwelling driveways when the scale bar says .8 miles. As soon as I enable CNNA, I have to zoom out one level so the scale bar says .5 miles to see any of those shared roads and it doesn't show the smaller ones at all. That is, with both maps enabled, the detail is dictated by CNNA, not OSM.

    I recall this from my nuvi although I can't tell you the zoom levels.
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