Another alternator hits the dust and not under warranty

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by C5!, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. rockinrog

    rockinrog Long timer

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    There is one available here if you end up needing one before theirs is ready:
    http://www.ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/
  2. JRWooden

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    Sounds bad....
    The check is not hard ... you have have lost one-phase....

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5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;} </style> <![endif]--> Resistance of windings from the stator - a 3-pin connector (1-2, 2-3, 1-3) should all be ~3.5ohms.
    At 4K rpm AC output should be ~75V across any pair
    The windings should NOT conduct to ground (should be insulated from ground connection)

    For details see: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685465
  3. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Ugh. This is my failed stator. 76,000 kms on the bike.

    [​IMG]

    Had the engine open for the last couple of days, having received the upgraded BMW parts, a flywheel puller, and a gasket. I made my own crankshaft locator screw. Sure would have been easier to do this job if I just replaced the stator but my mechanic said to do both the stator and rotor, as they're matched.

    I found Loctite 620 for the rotor in town. (The Haynes manual lists Loctite 648 but apparently 648 is no longer, and 620 is the replacement).

    My rotor was a real bugger to remove, even with the BMW tool. I was heating up the hub as described in the manual with an electric heat gun and the tool would tighten to the point of buggering up the thread on the end of it, but still it wouldn't budge so I got out the propane torch.

    I didn't like having to use an open flame but I was getting desperate at that point. But it worked! I was tightening down the tool and finally I heard a crack, and the rotor started to move.

    The rotor really is much more open, so hopefully I won't need to go through this again, on this bike anyway. My wife's F650GS twin has 78,000, so you never know... At least I know how to do it now.

    Here's a comparison of the new and old rotors.

    Old on the left; new on the right.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    This is the crank locating tool I made up.

    [​IMG]

    Job done! :freaky
  4. Downs

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    Matched??


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  5. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    That was the word he used but he hadn't seen one before, so he didn't know exactly what had changed. It was obvious once I opened the box, and my engine. The new rotor looked lighter and like it would help the coils run a bit cooler.
  6. MikeMike

    MikeMike Long timer

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    EmmBeeDee, I swear the new F800 and F700 have more room between the header pipes and the motor.
    Could be just an optical thing, I haven't measured it but plan on taking a measure the first chance I get.
  7. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    I'm interested to know. Might be reason enough to upgrade. :lol3
  8. Emmbeedee

    Emmbeedee Procrastinators

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    Just got to try out my new version alternator equipped F8 after letting the Loctite 620 cure over 30 hours, and does it ever rev nicely now.

    Feels quite different with the lighter flywheel.

    Charging as it should, and no leaks anywhere!
  9. guzzimike

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    I have just replaced the RR with the Compufire series wound one.
    Hopefully this will stop my stator from doing to lunch.
  10. JRWooden

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    I'm sure it will help stator life considerably .... with a non-shunt design the only time you will be working the stator to death is with high accessory load vs. of "all the freaking time"....
    Which P/N did you use?

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm has me wondering if BMW made any updates to the R/R for 2013 .....

    Anybody with a 2013 model want to undo the two screws on the R/R and read us the <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:RelyOnVML/> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]-->[FONT=&quot]shindengen p/n off the back? :wink:[/FONT]<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:TrackMoves/> <w:TrackFormatting/> <w:punctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:DoNotPromoteQF/> <w:LidThemeOther>EN-US</w:LidThemeOther> <w:LidThemeAsian>X-NONE</w:LidThemeAsian> <w:LidThemeComplexScript>X-NONE</w:LidThemeComplexScript> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> <w:SplitPgBreakAndParaMark/> <w:DontVertAlignCellWithSp/> <w:DontBreakConstrainedForcedTables/> 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  11. guzzimike

    guzzimike Long timer

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    Compufire 55402, the expensive one.:evil
    I live in hope.:lol3
    We are lucky enough to live in a mild climate, so we don't use heated clothing & other watt guzzling accessories.
  12. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    I would have expected nothing less .... I live right down the street from you .... "in debt" :lol3

    Like you I rarely need all 400W of output ............ seems a real shame to have the bike work to make the power then dump it to ground ...........
  13. mustardfj40

    mustardfj40 Been here awhile

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    Can you please post some pics of how you installed it and wired it up? Thanks.
  14. guzzimike

    guzzimike Long timer

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    Sorry, don't have any pics but it's pretty straightforward.
    The original RR has 7 wires coming out of it.
    2 red/white - positive - to battery
    2 green - earth - to battery
    3 yellow - to stator - doesn't matter what order.
    These wires go to 2 plugs up behind that little triangular cover on RHS of the bike.
    The stator plug is rectangular, the pos/neg plug is round.
    I stripped the outer cover off, then cut the wires about 6" from the RR.
    The Compufire RR has 5 wires.
    1 positive - soldered to the 2 red/white
    1 earth - soldered to the 2 green
    3 stator wires - soldered to the 3 originals.
    I then heat shrinked each join and re-wrapped the whole thing with the original cover and rescue tape (self amalgamating tape)
    You have to make up a plate to adapt the mounting points because the Compufire mounting holes are further apart than the original.
    Hope that all makes sense.
  15. lunaticTR

    lunaticTR Adventurer

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  16. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    The price is right ... that's for sure! :D

    Is it waterproof, or did you waterproof it somehow?

    I installed this gizmo back 4 years ago when my bike was new:
    http://f800riders.org/forum/showthr...g-Battery-Voltage-Monitor-amp-amp-GPS-adapter

    Once I started hearing about stator failures I was very glad to have done so....

    What seems odd to me is that "system voltage" is one of the display options for the OBC on some other models of BMW...
    Wish we had that on the twins................
  17. Lujo

    Lujo Long timer

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    Nice, lunaticTR! My pet peeve with dash-mounted voltmeters is that they're either too hard too see or too distracting. On my F800ST I have the same warning light that JRWooden mentions, but I disabled the green so that I don't have to keep seeing a bright green light when everything is OK. I wouldn't mind having a more precise readout, though.
  18. lunaticTR

    lunaticTR Adventurer

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    I wish my OBC had that futue as well. 2 chronometers? Who needs it anyways? Well it is not waterproof. However I filled the back with the Fujik (sp?) brand elastic heat dissipating electrically non-conductive glue (just because I had lots of it and no silicon). The box was too thick for the purpose so I had to cut it a little. Off course the cover did not mate perfectly so I siliconed it (well the silicon was almost dry and I got some rubbery slilicon in there). I doubt the screen is waterproofed but I really did not need it. It could be waterproofed with a little silicon along the edges. It is positioned right below the wind screen. It had some rain on it for sure since I rode it in terrible rain multiple times and left it in the rain for quite some time. The worst is the morning mist. It can go in where no rain can go in. It saw maybe 3-4 weeks of it every night and still works. The rain water is non-conductive so it should not short it. Maybe corrotion can damage it in time. I will throw in another every 2-3 years .For the price its no problem. I have the box already so I do not have to spend 5$ worth of gas to get it. Damn! Chinese can make that thing and sent it to my address for less than 2.50$ while I have to spend 5$ on gas to get a box in the same city. :kboom
    Thanks. Its not that eye striking. Actully I never paid attaintion to it at night. It is not like the LEDs that point the light straight to your eyes. The flashing green LEDs of the SPOT on my tanktop case, on the other hand, would lit up my visor from the bottom and I thought it was the thunder and was going to rain. It was quite sometime untill I figured it out :rofl
  19. JRWooden

    JRWooden Long timer

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    Ok I've babbled about Electrosport's stator for the F800GS / F650GS twins for a while now, and on several different threads so I'm sure I'll miss posting this update to all of them, but Electrosport does have this unit dribbling into production. The P/N is ESG831 .... the same stator is available as ESG829 for other BMWs that have the same 400W output and mechanical dimensions but the ESG829 has shorter harness leads. They are $199

    The ESG831 was available on the website yesterday, but is now temporarily sold out,
    inventory will apparently be replenished shortly.

    Per my contact:
    <dl><dd>"Both esg829 and esg831 have the high quality wire and insulation intended for high-temp environments. Which is why the price is a bit higher then most of my other stators. "</dd></dl>​
    I've asked for the numeric value of the temp. rating - if I get that value I will post it....

    Answer: The wires would be good for 220 C and our part would also be running cooler then the OEM.

    Ok so there you have it folks, I think I've ridden that horse about as far as it will go...
  20. mustardfj40

    mustardfj40 Been here awhile

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    I like your LED monitor gizmo, but the weblink to product itself is no good, do you have a newer web link to this product? Thanks.

    EDIT: found it : http://signaldynamics.com/index.php...age.tpl&product_id=56&category_id=44&vmcchk=1

    Thanks!