Another alternator hits the dust and not under warranty

Discussion in 'Parallel Universe' started by C5!, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. ebrabaek

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  2. mmmmbeeeeer

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    Hi all,

    I read earlier in the thread that the new flywheel design might solve the problem. Does any one know if the 2013 F800GS models have the new flywheel design?

    Thanks!
  3. Emmbeedee

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    I'd be very surprised if they didn't.
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    I agree, my guess all F800 after mid 2012 had the new stator/fly wheel-rototor


    but if anyone knows different let us know
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    What's the bet they used up old stock before fitting the new one in production ? or perhaps I should be less cynical ?
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    Yes all new bikes have the new flywheel.
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    It's all about economics. Since there was no Gov't mandated recall, and it's not life threatening (to the avg GS that never sees dirt) then the Bean counter would evaluate the leftover stock vs the cost of warranty work anticipated from inaction and come to some conclusion. You bet they used all the old stock. If they're like most manufacturers today then the qty of old stock would be limited at least. Just in time manufacturing, kaizen, Lean, Kanban, gazuntite... whatever.

    You bet there is an inacessable record of affected bikes. Like with the chain recall, they knew right down to the last sn which bikes were affected. Mine was the second last 800 made with the crappy chain. Regulations and all.

    But go ahead and be cynical, it's all about saving money. Like what we do by just changing the stator. :D
  8. JRWooden

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    WANTED: Dead OEM R/R from a twin....

    Here's the deal:

    OEM R/R is shunt style causing high heat in unventilated stator assby.
    While I'm sure the FH020AA R/R is a good quality product and regulates at a more proper charging voltage, it's still a shunt regulator, so I'm not sold on it personally.

    Not sure if it's true, but have heard some less than stellar feedback on the CompuFire unit, so for about the same money or less I found this unit which it talked up on various other forums:

    http://roadstercycle.com/Roadstercycle%20New%20Series%20Regulators.htm

    It is made by this company: http://www.cycleelectricinc.com/


    I have an Electrical Engineer buddy that has an oscilloscope, and Joel has agreed to "provide technical guidance" to the project in an attempt to see if potential fears of possible harmful side-effects of using a series style regulator (posted a few pages back) are proven out or not....

    I'd like to be able to do quick "side-by-side" testing so would very much like to have a spare set of BMW harness plugs that I can solder to the CE 605 SB regulator. Does anybody have a dead OEM R/R laying around they'd like to donate to this project?

    I'd be happy to PayPal you some green to cover shipping ...

    Thanks,
    Jim



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    If I had one it would be all yours but I dont, will ask around for you
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    Well, the RM stator that EmmBeeDee installed in my '08 '650'GS last month passed its shake-down run with flying colours today - had the Gerbing heated jacket (75W) and the Warm and Safe heated socks (9W) on at about 80% power today with the heated grips on 'grill' and did 278 kms without any problems with starting or battery lights coming on.

    eta: That's 9W per sock so 18W

    :happay
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    Fingers crossed... but looks good so far.
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    I've installed the Compufire on mine F800GS and the stator's carter is cold like clutch's one..or even colder.
    Compufire works for me.
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    Thanks Cippy!
    I expect they are very similar designs, hope to capture some OScope data sometime between now and June and "upgrade" my bike before my long-distance summer excursion!

    Jim
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    fernan_ci Been here awhile

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    Could F800GS stator be replaced by this one?
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    I see no reason not to.
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    fernan_ci Been here awhile

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    Mine is dying and I´m thinking to buy this one or rewind old one, which option you think will be better?
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    For $99, you could buy a few for spares.
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    Fernan:

    From some other posts, it seems that the the BMW factory stator uses wire rated for maximum temperature of 180C and I really don't think this is up to the job.

    If you could get your OEM unit rewound with 220C rated wire or perhaps even 240C rated wire I think that would be one good option, but many shops do not have these better grades of wire.

    From personal conversations with the engineers at ElectroSport:
    http://www.electrosport.com I have been told their wire is rated for 220C, and they have done other things to their design to reduce the heat load on the stator.



    RM stator ( $99 USD) says they use 200C rated wire, better than stock, but probably not good enough to last "for ever"...
    http://www.rmstator.com/en/motorcycle/bmw/f650gs/2009/stator-rm01040


    Ricks offers a unit for $165 USD http://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/
    but does not specify the wire insulation rating ...
  20. fernan_ci

    fernan_ci Been here awhile

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    Thanks guys

    Yes, for sure, I think I´ll get one.