Another 'does the bike I want exist' thread. Dakar version.

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by clapped_r6, May 25, 2013.

  1. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    hello,

    i've been thinking about getting a klr650 for a long while, to get started towards racing in the dakar. my girlfriend is planning to get a ducati multistrada to go along with me.

    i've watched "race to dakar", which was super fun, but really worrying from a "you may die in the desert" standpoint.

    what i'd really like is a taller bike (the 850mm seat height of the multistrada is just about perfect for me), that's still as vibey as the old 650 at WFO top speed, but even taller.

    337 dry weight / 402 wet is not enough for me. i'd much rather have a bike that vibrates a lot like the multi, but something like a 600lb paint shaker. i need all that power, and would rather have it taller and vibrate way more.

    i'd really really like the xr650l, but it's pretty much the same weight, and not quite tall enough, but it has a big fin kit, which with other mods, would make it vibrate almost enough. but the lack of height is a killer.

    so, is there any dakar racing bike that's a vibey / fast as a klr650, high maintenance, preferably taller and vibrates more? i haven't been able to find any bike that vibrates that doesn't have lower service times.

    this is my current mod/farkle list for the 650 (it's a bit long, and definitely a work in progress)

    2" or 2.5" raising link? or a whole different shock! or just go showa?
    protect the kill switch wiring
    comfy seat - rezanco (can they make it heavier?) or corbin (i know that one has some weight to it)
    doohickey
    upgraded subframe bolts
    adapt RR products, find the most expensive stuff i can
    add crashbars, weld up new crashbar protectors
    add highway pegs, since i heard it's a pretty long race
    heavy duty clips and zip ties everywhere. lead weight like they do in nascar, cuz, hey i'm a racer
    scottoiler
    gps and mount, whatever other navigation they use. should be simple
    helmetlock
    remove mirrors completely - good for aero, but will have to add weight back later
    reinforce stock fairing, make numberplate mount
    put really really loud pipe, cuz, hey i'm a racer
    remove fcr-mx 39mm pumper carb and adapt microsquirt FI system. carbs are for tools.
    1. )protect the radiator from the highway pegs rubbing on them (weatherstripping, maybe some hardiplank)
    2. )similarly, check that the plastic plug on anything is touching anything (i read somewhere that wuz bad)
    3. )remove the top bolts that hold anything to anything and replace with jb weld to avoid having them ripped out
    4. )wrap the radiator hose with another radiator hose, kinda like a helmet protector (gary busey special)
    5. )wrap the fuel line under the seat with something to keep the subframe bolts from rubbing a hole in the line. it's under the tank, kinda between the carby thing and the other thing that i put fuel into.

    second (vibration/weight)
    bashplate, and bashplate protector
    replace pedals with similar pedals, only more expensive, and for no good reason
    radiator guard - touratech preferably, their stuff looks really nice
    dry break gascap (stock sucks!)
    front sprocket guard (lime green!)
    kickstand pad, whatever brand is heavier
    exhaust (stock is too tweety, i need it as loud as possible)
    shark fin, not that i'm riding rocks
    extra clutch cable
    replace all potmetal brackets with heavier ones
    reinforce all wires, with more wire (again gary busey reference)
    reinforce grounds (not sure how, i'm a great mechanic, but electricity baffles me)
    chain guard protector
    reinforce all brackets with more brackets / more headlights for night racing (i think they ride at night too?)
    protect spark plug cap, it gets hot
    several layers of foam air filter material
    super heavy duty tubes, mousse are too light and for amateurs
    suspension swap from a quad? revalve?
    brake pedal cable (brake saver to prevent the bendy bendy)

    ask:
    improved external filter. i heard sometimes there's sand in the gas over there, i should probably stop it.
    what fairings can i make from walmart garbage cans that will look the most racy? do they sell milkcrates there?
    what hand guards protect from wind and impacts the most? i want to race, not research anything myself.
    replace lightweight indicators with stock.
    what's the beefiest wheels and tires i can get?
    what's the loudest exhaust? has anyone run one of those cheesy ebay ones yet?
    any heavy but more vibey foot pegs?
    heavyweight chain? what's the biggest they make? unbalanced wheels?
    anyone running 16/39 sprockets? higher top speed, more weight
    raising link or quad shocks?
    heaviest muffler and pipe? mild steel guards, custom pipe. ebay muffler? no spark arrestor for me, it's loud. ceramic
    coat whole system, add weight, less heat! great idea! stock is not heavy enough.

    find out with experience:
    gear up or gear down sprockets? i need top speed to be around 140mph to be competitive
    revalve needed?
    engineice? bigger radiators? top speed i'll need additional cooling, perhaps a turbo

    list:
    ape hangers
    giant loop great basin: just big enough, as i'm planning on being self supported i'll need somewhere to put my bivouac.
    wolfman enduro tankbag, for my camera and juiceboxes
    self contained hot water system
    heated grips for those chilly days in the andes
    extra vibe grips from harley store (viberider?)
    heaviest largest battery possible, any car batteries fit? stock battery 7.21 lbs sears gold diehard 34.1 lbs
    mirrors from mack truck
    custom bashplate made from 1/4" mild steel sandwiched between 2 roadsigns
    scotts steering damper
    weld on kickstand foot - hey it's gonna be sandy here and there
    less hot exhaust setup, heavier, loud
    some kind of fender bag, not sure what that's for
    custom brake and clutch lever from harley screamin eagle catalog
    radiator guard / custom / touratech? make sure is very beefy, i'm a racer
    change some gearing? need to hit 140mph
    stronger rear subframe bolts
    doohickey
    brighter lights! hid's from pep boys

    toolkit:
    bricks in the milkcrate? (sand etc)
    klr toolkit (ie screwdriver and crescent wrench)
    19 + 22 wrenches? motion pro combo lever?
    laptop and backup laptop to tune microsquirt
    fuses (12 pack of each)
    spark plug
    fuel filter / fuel line / extra microsquirt injector
    spare air filter, preoiled (2 should do it?)
    120v mini tig welder
    multimeter, backup laptop power supply
    spare chain, precut / bailing wire
    spare chain lube
    spare oil
    tube patch kits
    spare tubes
    tie down straps (8)
    air pump, and backup air pump
    spare brake fluid - will need it with 140mph plus
    spare nuts/bolts/ craftsman small toolkit
    spare voltage regulator
    jb weld
    spare clutch / brake pedal
    heavy duty zip ties!

    check before trips:
    oil change
    valve clearance
    tires
    chain
    sprockets
    brake pads
    tire pressure
    fuel filter
    air filter
    wheel bearings
    (For race practice, new everything before dakar)
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  2. VxZeroKnots

    VxZeroKnots Long timer

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    You have a fairly solid plan, but you're missing one key element. The best tool for a KLR is a hammer. 10lb sledge should work while adding weight to your toolkit. :thumb

    Also, you should be able to run a car battery in the milk crate, or even better a marine battery, and leave the stock one on. You never know when a racer might need dual batteries. You could even set them up in series and stick weld with that setup!
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  3. rpet

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    best post i've read in a while
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  4. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    um, yeah, thanks, i've already thought of that. i know a lot of stuff. and it'll have to be tig or nothing, stick welding is for losers and pedophiles.

    i also already knew that. can you please be clever somewhere else now, please?
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  5. Kommando

    Kommando Long timer

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    Welding is so passe. I bet you still use EFI, petro fuel, and other archaic voodoo.
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  6. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    i'm trying to quit anything with voodoo dolls and chicken sacrifices, you heartless heathen.

    don't make me channel my boyfriend. "he's kind of a big deal"

    do you have any real world experience to teach me? i really need to get this klr dialed in. by my spreadsheet calculations, the klr that i haven't purchased yet will need a turbo to get the required 140mph. i just don't know how large of a turbo to get. any tips?

    or should i go to supercharging? what kind of mileage will i get with a turbo vs supercharger?

    this is a real question for my future purchase.
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  7. Jan from Finland

    Jan from Finland Been here awhile

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    How about a fully farkled GS boxer? Preferably an HP2 with high seat option. Just disconnect the right side ignition to get more character out of the engine.
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  8. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Captain Awesome

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    How about my DR?

    Buy my DR, it will be perfect!

    I know it falls short on every category you mentioned, but it will still be perfect!:lol3
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  9. drdfblackm

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    :rofl

    I honestly had a legit thread before all this started, I think I have want I want narrowed down enough that I don't need to keep mine going.

    You forgot to add "throttle by wire" may not exist yet but you should develop it, those throttle cables are for chumps!
    ABS is a must, nothing can ever go wrong with ABS!!!!
    You have to have a traction control system....this is a must in Dakar!!
    Geiger counter for trips to Chernobyl.
    And good god don't forget your disco ball and light for your self contained party when you win....which duh obviously you will win!
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  10. drdfblackm

    drdfblackm VeeFeer

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    DUH!!!!!!! I got it!!!!!!

    Electric Dirtbike!!!!! It is perfect...no carb to mess with, and you can just simply fabricate a solar power station to recharge the bike, or if you are crafty, which I can tell, you could fashion one to the bike so it is constantly charging. I mean technology like this is available all over the world....no problems if it ever rolls craps. You won't even have to venture out onto any pavement to find gas!!!!

    Flawless, foolproof plan. And just remember that I gave you the idea!
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  11. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    I had thought of that too - but of course the US runs on 110v, but pretty much the rest of the world on 240v... so would that cause a problem? Or will my bike just go twice as fast in Europe?

    Jx
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  12. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Gone a bit Baja

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    And how many batteries can I fit in a Giant Loop bag?

    Jx
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  13. Bill Riehl

    Bill Riehl n00b

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    Ever wonder why some of you have already peaked in life? Take a good look at this thread.

    Have fun insulting a woman, boys. You are as far in life as you will ever be. For a reason. This thread is symptomatic of that reason. Some advice - consider expending some of the energy you have on developing professionally, rather than making fun of girls. You'll go further in life. You might even meet a woman worth having without her shaking her head in disgust at you.

    Might want to consider that.

    And yes, I am "kind of a big deal." That is why I have a girl who is pushing me to do this, among many other things that I'd bet money on some of you never even entertaining the thought of. Assuming you can actually think.
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  14. drdfblackm

    drdfblackm VeeFeer

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    Wow...someone is full of themselves!

    Well Mr Bigshot if you are such a BIG DEAL it seems you would have enough connections with real world bigwigs that you would be able to ask KTM or Yamaha to build your specific bikes you need. I mean Ewan McGregor was able to get all those companies to give him all that stuff. You MUST be just as much as a BIG DEAL as him!!!!!

    I can't even imagine why you would need us peons and our worthless opinions.

    BTW...your thread got moved to the basement!!!!!!
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  15. Bill Riehl

    Bill Riehl n00b

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    How clever of you.

    I am so full of myself I need to insult women and belittle them. How insightful of you.

    How about refuting my post, instead of resorting to a child like response? Though I will say, you are quite correct. Judging by this thread and the other, your opinion is quite worthless. Another reason you are in the station in life that you are.
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  16. drdfblackm

    drdfblackm VeeFeer

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    Hook line and sinker....you will bite on anything. Troll on!!!!!

    You should be out in the world doing your your "BIG DEAL" stuff instead of messing with us little guys.

    I am bowing before you oh admired one!:lol3

    Oh by the way I am going to ride one of the many I am sure crappy motorcycles with a 28 yo beautiful woman so if you want a response from me you are going to have to hold your breath. Damn my life is so terrible and pathetic....how will I ever go on!!!!
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  17. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    thank you for that, very helpful. the TT catalog will have lots to add to it as well. i heard that bmw riders are the new third reich though, so that bikes out.

    well if you would have read my originial post, i've already been over this. it's not nearly heavy or vibey enough. duh.

    ok, so first i want to race the dakar, now you're saying i want to go to chernobyl? i mean :huh
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  18. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    that's a really good idea. i'm all about reinventing the wheel. the lack of vibration is going to be a problem though. i don't want to imbalance the wheels too much, i'll only have one set of tires and they need to last.

    i mean, come on. i don't even know where to begin. i'm going to be "off the grid". of course it'd be twice as fast if i plugged it in, but if you re read my post, that's not going to happen

    why would i want that? well, i suppose if i ever give up on life, i'll just pack up and move to oklahoma.
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  19. Kommando

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    Not really. Some of us are closer to death than others, and death comes for all of us, often quite unexpectedly.

    'Might want to consider developing some social skills...and maybe just a touch of humility.

    In your own mind doesn't count, Captain Ego. Is this the attitude that you all plan to travel the world with? Live among people in 3rd-world countries with? I hope you're not Americans. We already have a bad-enough reputation for arrogance in many places.

    Lighten up, Francis.

    It goes both ways. Try learning a little carburetor voodoo, or how to change your own tubes/tires (between sacrificing chickens and chanting to the Spaghetti Monster), before blanketly writing them off as useless skills, then maybe some of the well-traveled would take you two more seriously.

    One should learn to crawl and walk before trying to run an ultra-marathon over rough terrain. Fundamentals can save your ass when things go south in BFE. Maybe some of the ribbing by the experienced will bring you two to your senses and save you some future heartache. I don't recall anyone saying NOT to do your trip. Recommendations were given. Ignoring them wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary, or even considered bad form, but to condescendingly discount them as laughable and/or not worthy is a purposeful insult. Your girl deserved what she got. If she, and you, still choose to not adjust attitude and perspective, that's on you. I would suggest not riding through any less-developed countries though.

    BTW, whose fake noob ARE you?
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  20. clapped_r6

    clapped_r6 The Spoad Warrior

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    um, will you immature boyz take this somewhere else? this thread is ONLY for CONSTRUCTIVE ideas on what i'm trying to accomplish.

    back on track: i read somewhere that there's a manufacturer that goes by the name of ATK that is going to build a 700cc 2 stroke motor? i can't find the specs, but it's bound to be good and vibratory.

    i wonder how much psi boost i could add to that? does anyone have any ideas on that?
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