Another engine case victimized by the notorious sidestand weak spot

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by Deviant666, Aug 5, 2011.

  1. Deviant666

    Deviant666 Been here awhile

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    Yes sir, I'm a statistic in the bag as of today. It all happened in a flickering of an eye, some soapy water stream in the middle of an already slippery Greek asphalt and there we went. The irony is that this particular bend is about a mile from home and hence I was quite familiar with it. I just didn't see that water (sun and distance makes greek asphalt shine like a mirage in the desert anyway, a great substitute for a mirror but not as good for keeping the tires where they should be). The fall was quite nasty at about 80mph but we both slid for about 90 yards hitting nothing in our path. Traffic was luckily non-existent atm and I quickly picked her up and started her to reach the nearest curb to inspect the damage. Soon enough I noticed a beautifully shaped oil spill under the bashplate. Yep, sidestand and that bolt in the engine case had done their miracle again in the form of a 2 inch long, hair-thick crack that dripped my fresh oil (changed just yeaterday).

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  2. Deviant666

    Deviant666 Been here awhile

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    Now, what's the best kit for relocating the stand and why? Also any feedback for avoiding the near 2500$ bill is highly appreciated in advance, cheers
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  3. felker14

    felker14 Adventurer

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  4. wachs

    wachs just passin' through

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  5. CRW

    CRW I dont want a pickle

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    I feel your pain!!!!!! I bought a 06 earlier this year and found that side stand mount was cracked.:cry:cry:huh:huh:cry:cry:huh:huh (undisclosed from the previous owner asshole, called him once discovered and he said he had no idea:eek1:eek1!!!!) patched with some sort of jb weld or epoxy! I ordered the Blackdog side stand mount. Put the bike on its side and chipped off all gunk, ground down a bit around crack w a die grinder cleaned with brake cleaner and acetone. Patched with DEVCON. still holding oil back about 3000 miles later. I have sourced a whole low end (thank you pyndon) a full gasket kit and rings. Plan to do at half rebuild this winter. But the DEVCON seems to be holding up real well.
    Anywhoo its a stupid design!!!!! source some Devcon and patch!!! I bought it a a bering/hydraulic house.
    Glad you walked away from the crash!!!!!
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    blkadvR Been here awhile

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  7. xcflyn

    xcflyn Long timer

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    ++1 , have not tested mine yet- BUT I WILL :evil
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  8. acejones

    acejones Long timer

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    Good luck guys !

    Who would design a side stand that stresses the case ?

    Oh ! I guess it would be the Austrians. Don't let the Bavarians learn this technique.
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  9. WARRIORPRINCEJJ

    WARRIORPRINCEJJ Crazy, on a ship of fools...

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    About once a month, a new OC inmate comes to the table, with a list of farkles, and asks the group, "Which one first?..."

    If I am one of the first posters, or if nobody else has mentioned it, I always recommend taking care of the sidestand "issue", and try to post links for the two "major" offerings (BDCW and PABiker).

    I use the BDCW offering, but do understand the concept of "different strokes for different folks". Plus, both vendors support this subsection, in a big way. And, I subscribe to the belief that we should "support those who support us".


    From time to time, an inmate will show-up (in one of the above threads)and mention that he/she has never seen a cracked engine case. And, sometimes, it almost seems as if they are trying to detract from the problem. That is fine...as opinions are being solicited, and opinions are being offered.


    However, my thoughts are this...

    How much money do we spend on these beasts, each year? Is $80.00 really too much to pay for peace of mind?


    When I first came to the OC, I saw a thread from a similar inmate (who had just cracked his case). He was PISSED!...and was venting about his belief that a $14,000+ bike should not have this "issue". Quite a few of the guys were on him, pretty hard, about not taking one of the above precautions.

    I felt this guy's pain, and agreed with him. However, despite how I felt, I also understood the point that the others were trying to make.

    I ordered my sidestand kit, the very next day, and never looked back...



    Like the others, Deviant, I am sorry to hear about your engine case, and am glad that you walked-away from the crash.

    I hope that your unfortunate event might serve as a reminder to others...


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  10. sombreroisland

    sombreroisland Been here awhile

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    I'm sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you're ok.

    I had installed a Blackdog relocator and would recommend it. Blackdog's design keeps the sidestand in its original position. Basically mounted the same way just took those screws out. The stress is now on the lower part of the frame.

    The PAbiker relocator is completely installed in a different area.

    Both will do the job really well, just a matter of preference.

    Now, maybe it's just me...when a cracked case happens, it has been structurally weakened period.

    This stupid case of side stand bolting is one thing you won't get out of a beemer...but again, you're riding a beemer... :)
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  11. Subutai

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    Good to hear you got up unscathed.

    I have the PABiker offering and see no advantages in "keeping the sidestand in it's original position", as many argue in favor of the BDCW offering. I've had no problems with the new position of the sidestand. It's also sort of out of the way, as it's further back along the length of the bike.

    PABiker is strong enough for allowing to mount the bike using the peg, and this is a significant advantage in my opinion. With the PABiker you need to take care of the sidestand switch problem in one way or the other, an easy procedure.
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  12. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    I bought the BDCW after considering both.

    I've mounted the bike often when loaded for touring by stepping up on the peg while on the sidestand and have experienced no problems. This is an advantage over OEM, if that is what you meant. As far as I can tell either product will allow this.

    The stealth/OEM look of the Black Dog product was my preference over the more "in your face" look of the PABiker unit. Seems like the BDCW price was a little better as well.

    The PAB does seem superior from a structural perspective, and if I ever want to set a car on the seat while on the sidestand it would be the better choice. :D

    For normal loads (body weight), and for redirecting a load in a fall away from the OEM case attach-points, I think both products address these issues very well.

    Thanks to all the vendors who bring forth the plethora of innovations for these fine machines! :freaky
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  13. Jonathans

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    As much as I love Blackdog products, I went with the PABiker stand locator, as it was the strongest out there, and did not come with a warning not to stand on the peg for mounting the bike. With the shutoff switch extension, I was able to do the installation easily, and it looks great. It does not interfere with a center stand.
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    buzybraza Been here awhile

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    black dog
    lighter
    easier to install
    no messing with the rest of the stock wire setup
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  15. Deviant666

    Deviant666 Been here awhile

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    It was my procrastinating nature that brought this upon my head. The kit was a no1 on my list to do, but since I just returned from a 10000km trip around Europe almost all on flawless quality asphalt I didn't think that this could have posed a serious threat until I returned to some mountain trails back home. Little did I know that the sidestand when slammed hard as the bike falls on its side can be caught on minute imperfections of even the smoothest tarmac (like it did today). I mean the spot that I fell is ideal for the next figure-skating championship, it was that smooth. Nevertheless, the damn thing found a way to create enough leverage to crack my bikes heart open (time for an emoticon):cry.
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  16. 27rich

    27rich Been here awhile

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    First mod I did was install the Blackdog relocator, I had even bought it before I recieved the bike.
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  17. Nailhead

    Nailhead Free at last!

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    Weld86 offers a promising-looking relocator, also. I have not tried one, so I can't comment on its function.
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  18. Aquanout

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    I still have'nt done it. I'm going to weld a tab behind the foot peg then make a new kickstand out of aluminium.
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  19. Thisguy

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    I have posted several times about making this issue a sticky.

    PABiker relocator, it works, and an inmate here makes it.
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  20. Subutai

    Subutai Been here awhile

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    This was the issue, that made me go with PABiker;
    With the Super Duke sidestand eliminator kit, the installation is easy and reversible.
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