Another GPS thread.

Discussion in 'GPS Tracks - Oz and Kiwi Land' started by Kimall, Aug 4, 2016.

  1. Kimall

    Kimall Adventurer

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    Ok so I HAVE read all the GPS threads I can find but I have not found the info I need so I will go ahead and just ask. I spoke to Johny Appleseed today and the guy was very clear that the Zumo was the go for on road and the Montana was the go for off road. There was no grey area as far as he was concerned because the Montana did not do turn by turn and only had topo maps. The Zumo he said only does roads and majors dirt roads but no tracks and wont work under tree cover.I have an Oregan 450 which is the smaller brother of the Montana but the screen is too small to see or use on the bike but I do have street maps loaded on it as well as the topo maps so I would have thought the dearer Montana would do that too. Do you guys that have the Zumo find them good off road and that they maintain signal in scrub.? The more reviews I read and more utube clips I watch the more confusing it becomes. The Zumo 590 that I was told was good but it is not avail anymore.
    Cheers KIM
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  2. neilaction

    neilaction Slightly Less Adventurous

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    My Zumo is no good off road IMO. I use an iPad mini in a lifeproof case off road and its excellent.
    But, on road I still prefer the Zumo although the iPad is still a good option.
    Never used a Montana.

    Surely the 595 will do everything the 590 would do, and more?
    Its not exactly cheap though. :D

    BTW Kim, this is bound to get moved. :photog
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  3. workhorse

    workhorse Motorcycle as a medium of travel

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    Ive got the Zumo 660 loaded with the standard road maps and they are not oo bad for most situations but also have Oz Topo V8 and it has every track, wheel rut and stick on it. In the forests around me on the mid north coast it is very detailed. Works in all situations even in deep bush. Use it when Im in the 4wd as well. Big screen which is easy to see on the bike, big numbers to use with gloves on and the verbal directions via blue tooth to my Sena headset is a boon in helping get turns correct. Looked at the smaller garmin ones but couldn't read them on the bike.
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  4. Aussie Steve

    Aussie Steve Long timer

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    I just use a Montana with street maps and topo installed at the same time.
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  5. dunc

    dunc coddiwompler

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    try here for a 590
    http://www.ryda.com.au/gps-navigation/motorcycle-gps
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  6. johnno950

    johnno950 Long timer

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    Have run a hema hn7 for a few kms now,designed i guess for your 4wd/car but work a treat on a bike.Worth a look at the hema site regarding fetures etc etc. 014.jpg
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  7. Kimall

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    So Workhorse is that just extra mapping that you put into the Zumo that sounds like a good combo.
    I put this thread here because I felt it was more relevant to Australia as to what dealer might be good to get the unit from I decide on but if it gets moved no biggy.
    Cheers KIM
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  8. neilaction

    neilaction Slightly Less Adventurous

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    iPad mini. :D

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  9. Kimall

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    Neilaction do you ever have over heating probs that is one of the things people say about the Ipad/mini idea. I have one here not being used but not sure how it would go. What mapping software are you using and do you do routes before the trip and upload.
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  10. rider911

    rider911 Shortcut Navigator

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    I dont understand why people say Zumos are no good off road, is it because they dont know how to use them?

    Ive had 3 Zumos, they work perfectly offroad. The latest 590/595 has exceptional track capabilities. You can load a multitude of maps to suit your usage. Yes they are expensive but they are purpose built for motorcycling in any conditions.
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  11. Young-Gun

    Young-Gun KTM Tragic

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    Montana with road maps will be the best for a dirt-biased navigational aid. If you're in an unfamiliar town you can still punch in an address and follow the route as long as you've installed the Garmin city navigator maps onto it. For offroad, if you've pre-plannwd a gpx file using tracks as opposed to routes, the montana displays the tracks as a bolder, more visible line compared to the zumo range. I've used Zumo 550, 660, 350, 390 and all are good little devices but the montana really impresses me. If you're on a budget, the Zumo 660 is pretty good if you can pick up a second hand one
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  12. neilaction

    neilaction Slightly Less Adventurous

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    Mine hasn't over heated, but I can imagine it could. My iPhone has overheated once or twice when I've used it on the pushie to track my rides. I'm using mud maps. There is no limit to what you can do with it. There's any number of apps etc. The real reason I went that way is the size of the screen. It's brilliant. You get a much better perspective with a big screen.

    There are down sides. It's not glove friendly to use. It's not a pressure touch screen so you need to touch the screen with a finger, or a special glove or finger pad. Although it's mounted in a lifeproof case, it may not be as tough as a motorcycle specific GPS. But on balance I'm happy with it. I don't use in on my road bike btw. I don't need the maps or the large screen. It's brilliant in the 4bee.

    I haven't fully explored what can be done with it. An iPad used as just a GPS seems to underutilise the power that is available. Have a look at Nuetrino for example.
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  13. farqhuar

    farqhuar Human guinea pig

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    The reality is that just about any Garmin GPS can do the job of any other. I've been a Garmin user for close to 10 years and don't even bother with a Zumo (too bloody expensive) and instead use a car based 5" Nuvi (with a ziplock bag turned upside over the top of it to provide weather protection).

    The Zumo and Nuvi will run any of the Garmin topo maps and also any of the shonky maps (topo included). I also use (free) OSM maps for when I travel overseas on the bike.

    Interestingly, I have just today purchased myself a 7" android tablet which I will use mounted in the sleeve of my tank bag, and loaded with HEMA maps. Why the tablet? Well my eyes are just not what they used to be and I love the ability to do two finger map zooming in/out to orient myself better. This is the major failing of the Garmins in my view - very poor at zooming and screen refresh. However, I will not be abandoning the Nuvi - I plan on running both systems for the foreseeable future as I like to use the Nuvi as an accurate speedo display, even when I am not using it for navigation.
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  14. Young-Gun

    Young-Gun KTM Tragic

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    Farqhuar, how do you upload gpx tracks to the nuvi for following a pre-planned ride off road where there are no routable roads on your maps?
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  15. farqhuar

    farqhuar Human guinea pig

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    I simply upload them as a route into the Nuvi using Basecamp. Just make sure the Nuvi you purchase is one that includes routing - some of the lower end models don't. I currently run a Nuvi 1450, which does.
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  16. Young-Gun

    Young-Gun KTM Tragic

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    But routes won't work if the mapset you're using doesn't support routes or if you're going off the beaten track... or do you do some voodoo in Basecamp to force it to work?
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  17. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    Factory reconditioned Zumos go for about $300 on the US fleabay site: I got 2 660s and a 390 for about half what they'd be here.
    Now I just need to learn how to use them!
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  18. Kimall

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    Ok so I got onto a new Zumo 660 that comes with Road maps Aus and New Zeal AND Topo 4wd maps too. 2 year replacement warranty.
    Thanks for all the input guys I really value the thoughts of the people that actually use this stuff.
    Cheers KIM
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  19. farqhuar

    farqhuar Human guinea pig

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    No voodoo that I am aware of. I just use Shonky maps for offroad and that seems to work fine in letting me import routes into the Nuvi.

    P.S. If you are getting stuck with Basecamp you can always try Garmin Mapsource (older version of Basecamp) - both seem to work for me.

    Kimall, congrats on the Zumo, and enjoy.
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