Another Natl Monument in Utah !!

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by dmac1, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Hayduke

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    Yeah, I forgot about that. In fact, we took a Tagalong tour of the Elephant Hill/Confluence area when I was a little kid. In an FJ 55. About 1975, I think. It's where I caught the canyon country backroading bug, and heard about the death of King Faisal over the radio. REALLY odd sometimes the things you remember...

    Canyonlands is a park, by the way-- not a monument.

    I can't help thinking that the addition of another monument/park in the area might constrain their business in some way, though.
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    Oh well-- so much for that angle.
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    I still can't see how the designation as a NM will be in any way beneficial to what we are passionate about and what we do. Don't maginalize this and "hope" it turns out OK. It won't if you do.
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    Tent Rocks in New Mexico is a good example. It was recently designated a Nataional Monument.

    In the good old days, it was barely discovered and you had a bit of gravel road to get to it but was still enjoyed by many.

    Since the National Monument designation, the road in has been paved, it is over-run by tourists in tour buses, no dogs, no bicycles, no geo-caching, etc.
    They ruined it in an attempt to protect it.

    It was decreed a Nat Monument in the last days of Clinton.

    If this one goes down, it will not be any time soon, but would be in the final days of the administration IMO. That is why pressure has to be kept up for the duration. Don't just write a letter and call it good. Write back in a few months and keep in touch.
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    Oh no, no, no-- it won't be at all. The area will be totally sanitized like so many other places I love(d).

    That's why I live in Wyo-- too windy to be sanitized.
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    The Blue Ribbon Coalition’s Executive Director, Gregg Mumm, is in the final leg of his nationwide tour and will be in Albuquerque tomorrow night. I am going to go up to the meeting and ask him what they are doing about this.

    Anyone interested can come by:

    We have a meeting place for the Tuesday night (7:00 pm) meeting with Greg Mumm. xxxxxxx has graciously invited us to use the conference room at REDW, 7425 Jefferson NE (corner of Jefferson & Masthead).
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    Will you post back with his take on this?
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    :nod
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    Good meeting. I just got home. I'll post my thoughts and what I can remember later.
    BRC is very aware and onto this. Pretty much everyone in the room was tuned into it as well.
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    we kept Gordy up past his bedtime.....:lol3
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    Greg Mumm, the executive director of Blue Ribbon Coalition visited with us for over two hours last night. Good stuff with lots of input from the guests and honest answers from Greg.

    Here is one way to reach him:

    http://www.wearebrc.org/comments

    It would be best if you are a BRC member if you are asking for his help. :deal

    https://www.sharetrails.org/support/join-or-contribute/?other=Turn the Tide Tour 2012

    BRC is very aware of the Canyonlands deal and is hearing about it all over the country. He knew how the businesses were basically lied to when the pertition was going around that they signed. He said that already five of them are backing down (Red Wing was mentioned). He also stated that certainly a letter or phone call to the companies needs to happen from every member!!

    He thinks it is a publicity stunt by the Sierra Club and that Obama has bigger things going on and has not even heard of this. But........guys like Salazar who do have Obamas ear might try to run with this. So that is where the letters and focus need to be at the national level. I asked him what BRC was doing at the Moab/Hanksville/Green River level and he didn't seem to indicate that they were doing much at that level but said that all OHV advocates should contact those people and even the county commisioners of all the possibly affected communities.

    There were 4WD people, quad riders, and M/C people in the crowd and everyone was very tuned in to the problems. Some had solutions, some had ideas, and some were very pessimistic about what is going on everywhere.

    Some states back east have completely banned OHV traffic on anything but roads so there is certainly a downside to what we are currently seeing in the west.

    Greg said our best bet is to write letters, to join and donate to at least one local group, one state group and one national group. I think that is a good and reasonable approach and I will make it my effort to do these things.
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    Thanks for the report Gordy!
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    +1 :thumb
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    Did I miss anything Magoo? I could barely hear the guy with the Boston accent that seemed to be doing some big things.
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    Thanks for the info Gordy,

    Im glad this is on the radar for everyone.
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    No, you didn't miss much, meeting went on until 9:30, but the final 1/2 hour was a lot of re-hashing topics that were discussed earlier---(you picked a good time to split!)

    Boston dude is with a Polaris Razor UTV owner's group, they are doing some cool things with wounded veterans in terms of getting them out riding UTVs, and they have been able to negotiate full riding access with Laguna pueblo, which is almost impossible to do.

    Sure was tough to understand what the heck he was saying! :lol3
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    That's a bit of a stretch from what I hear, the local group got ticked on the res a few weeks earlier for ignoring the posted signs. There had been some talk of getting a pass to take "Veterans" out. After the ticket episode it became a big priority to get that pass. After some wrangling they got the pass and were able to get the tickets dropped. I could be wrong but it sounded like the veteran thing was a means to an end. Ether way they did get the pass.
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    Great info Gordy! Thanks to both you and burque for taking the time to go to the meeting and report back.
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    Excellent.