Another Natl Monument in Utah !!

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by dmac1, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. Pariahtize

    Pariahtize Miscategorized

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    I posted a thread on this back in February. . . an entire 2 people responded.
    Hopefully we can amass, dig our heals in and get to work fighting this absurd proposal.

    I'm sure glad you're putting this out there. This is no joke, and nothing to take lightly. SUWA is well-known for their deceitful proposals and hard-line antics. They are very political and exceptional liars too (coincidence:lol3??).
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    I concur that this is a good tact and glad to see others are doing it too. I've read where at least a couple of the companies have responded that they did not give permission to have their names on the letter! I hope it turns into an internal battle amongst the retailers!

    I smell SUWA (and Black Diamond) as the culprits behind this. If they succeed, you can bet they'll try it again.

    Edit - the more letters we send, the louder our voice gets!!!
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    Great idea! Hopefully many small businesses will do the same.
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  6. TNC

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    You are correct. Clinton used a 90 year old law that probably wasn't really designed for this...but it worked.

    http://ens-newswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/2004-04-20-041.html

    The current president has used excutive orders and such about as much as anyone to bypass congress, so I wouldn't be shocked to see some movement in this particular land issue. Hellsickle and I got into a friendly debate on that huge political thread awhile back concerning the philosophy of this administration and public lands. He felt this admin hasn't really shown much of an effort to push the aggressive environmentalist agenda. I tend to think he will push a more aggressive agenda in an environment where reelection isn't an issue. It's a debate I really hope to lose.
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  7. Fred Garvin

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    Sent my signature the other day. Has (can) some one get the local jeep clubs involved, espically the one that puts on the Easter Jeep safari? How about a letter to JP magazine letting them know whats going on with this threat? It seems that the more that know, the better off, espically with the retailers thst support this.
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    Here is the reply I got from New Belgum............



    Hey Ben,


    Thanks for your note. In August 2012 New Belgium, along with 100 other companies, signed a letter in support of designating the Greater Canyonlands as a national monument. We did so because we believe the area greatly needs the protections that monument status will afford. The document clearly calls out the economic role that outdoor recreation plays in the area and asks for protections that will allow that industry to flourish. Our advocacy on this issue acknowledges that public access to these lands is dependent upon their federally designated status. We support sensible allocation of open space for all recreational enthusiasts including motorized vehicles. Our understanding is that monument status does not necessarily exclude motorized vehicles, as that would be negotiated in the management plan. Please see that attached FAQs for any further questions. Thanks again for reaching out.

    Bryan Simpson
    Media Relations Director
    New Belgium Brewing
    500 Linden St.
    Fort Collins, CO. 80524
    970-221-0524
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  9. COXR650L

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    I think most of these compaines were only told "part" of the story about outdoor recreation in this area and signed on under that pretense. I am sure most of them do not realize this means there will be no mountain biking (or very limited number of trails), no pets allowed on trails, and no access to the majority of areas that people currently go.

    If this passes it will be DEVASTATING to not only Utah but all the surrounding states.



    I believe doing the letter writting campain would be very helpful to let them know the truth about what a national monument designation means and how many of their customers it would affect.

    I am in the process of getting an online petition set up and I will handle all the collection and then distribution of the letters to the listed compaines. Is there anyone that can write a letter outlining what a National Monument Designation really means and the affects it will have on the economy???
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    As always, elections and the person you voted for have consequences... :nod
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    I am guessing that the quickest way to short circuit this travesty by the anti vehicle group would be to get Huntsman to speak clearly and eloquently (which he does) to Obama to not sign the action. We cycle riders are definitely in the minority and it will take some extra weight to make sure this lockup doesn't happen. Hey I'll bet Jon could even get Obama down for a couple of dirt bike lessons.:rofl Obama is a guy who does like fun and he is more centrist than most people give him credit for.
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    I got some singletrack to show 'em :D
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    Chris...I'd pay big money to see that video of him out there.:lol3
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    PODUS?

    President Of 'Da United States? :rofl

    POTUS :deal

    :freaky
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    Oops... must have been that Mai Tai I was sipping while typing that. :freaky:rofl

    BTW... here's a response from Patagonia to an email I sent...


    On 11/21/2012 3:09 PM, CUSTOMER_SERVICE wrote:

    Dear David,

    Thank you very much for getting in touch about something you and we care about. We hope you'll reconsider your decision to stop buying from us, but our position on national monuments and wilderness remains what it has been for forty years.

    We think that some lands need to be set aside and the human impact on them should be light in order to give the land a rest, and the animals and plants on it a place to live.

    Sincerely,

    Patagonia
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  16. Gordy

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    Screw them. How much wilderness is enough? I bought my brother a nice patagonia sweater for x-mas. I'm taking it back and telling the store why.
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    Yeah, that makes sense. . . . I suppose that's why they support expeditions into pristine environments. Those mountaineers and rock climbers, and "trekkers" (et al) never leave piles of trash (and shit) behind. . . never place bolts into rocks. . . never create new trails. . . never use vehicles and burn fossil fuels. . . never promote/propose that their customers follow suit and "explore". . . never support exhibitionistic people who unlawfully disregard laws put in place to protect the environment (ex: no climbing on the arches within Arches NP). . . never make profits from "destructive recreation". . . never get involved with bias politics (oops!). . . .

    Hey, at least they aren't hypocrites! :deal
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  18. COXR650L

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    So I think if nothing else we should show the retailers we are listening, and maybe a few will pull out.

    As I talked about earlier, I set up a petition and I think for it to have any weight it should have 1000 signatures pledging to boycott all the listed retailers. Once we get 1000 I will forward all the signatures and comments to each retailer with a letter explaining what the National Monument Designation really means and how many of their customers do not support this (if someone else wants to write the letter feel free).

    Here is the link to the petition

    I am working on getting some face book buttons added, but post it to what ever social media site you can. This would be a huge loss, I cannot imagine loosing that much area in one swipe of the pen just because a letter is sent to the president.:cry
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  20. Gordy

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    Not letting me sign the petition. I've tried two e-mails. :dunno
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