Another R65 Dirt Bike Project

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  1. Udo

    Udo Been here awhile

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    After much reading of posts and questions to all on this forum I've finally accumulated enough parts to start the new R65 based dirt bike. Sort of a baby GS? The frame is an early 80's R65LS, forks, front wheel, caliper/rotor off a 90 Honda CR500, motor '82 R65LS, transmission '84 R100, swing arm might be a late 70's /7, but I,m not sure. The rear wheel is a /7. Handle bars are Renthal tapered and will carry late 70's BMW controls and switches. Rear shocks are 17 1/2" Progressive that were almost impossible to find.
    Thought I'd share pics and description as this comes along. A pleasant surprise was to discover that the Honda and BMW share the same size steering head bearings. A 1/2" long spacer and they bolted together.
    Helpful suggestions and ideas will be welcome.

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  2. Stagehand

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    sounds like a terrific start. Will you do any frame reinforcement?

    Thats really convenient, about the steering head.

    gonna be street legal? lights, etc?

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  3. Udo

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    Yes on the frame reinforcement. This week I'll make and weld extra brackets at the top shock mounts, and some beefing at the steering head. I think that the Acerbis style headlamps would be the easiest for a start. Last week I received an R65 fuel tank that will have to do for awhile, till I find a GS tank. Seating hasn't been figured out yet.
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    yeah, subframe was my next question, but it seemed early.

    how bout exhaust?
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  5. Udo

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    Exhaust? Don't need no stinking exhaust. Have given it some thought. Somewhere I should have the system I took off my old R65LS when I converted it to an R80. Larger pipes. A friend knows someone down in Boulder who builds custom bike exhaust systems. I thought I'd be able to put the two together and come up with a solution.
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    full speed ahead! :devildog

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    Looking forward to its first wheelie pic.
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    The bigger the header diameter ,the less bottom end ,all else being equal .
    I'm digging the pic:thumb
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  8. Udo

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    The bigger pipes went on the R80, the ones I have hidden somewhere are smaller, ex-R65LS, and should work on this puppy. Here's a few more pics.

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  9. Udo

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    I think a red powder coat frame and white other will be appropriate.

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  10. Udo

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    one more

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    The TR6 is sweet ,but what's the specs on the Trumpy in the background .
    TLS ,non stock trees .Don't see a shaft for the points ? Don't tease us like that .
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    Love it, keep posting progress pic's. When do you hope to have it completed?
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  13. Udo

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    Don't have an ETA in mind. Next month? End of summer? I seem to get off more on the process than the completion. The project in the background is an old school Triumph scrambler. '67 T00C frame, 73 TR5T motor, Ceriani forks, 8" TLS front brakes, 52 tooth sprocket, and more. I'm setting it up to run a Boyer with a small battery.
    The TR6C is a matching number, '67 unit I finished last winter. Have it licensed and insured, so it gets some real road miles. But, right now the baby GS has got me excited. The guys who work for me here at the shop all ride Jap dirt bikes and are totally freaking out. Think I'm kind of crazy doing this. I've let them test ride my R1200 GS. They can't believe that a monster looking bike like BMW builds can be so nimble on dirt. Love it.
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    Thats exactly how I mounted mine on my 65GS with 16.5" Progressive shocks. I reinforced the frame a lot in that area. You will find that the stiffest spring rate that Progressive offers is still too soft. Good luck with the project.
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    Possible to make a shock mount on the swingarm that allows a higher mounting point so you can think about a greater range of shocks?

    I mean, using the conventional points you've got, you have to use big long shocks to get the travel you want. If you make some triangular shock points that raise the mounts, can you then have a greater choice in which shock to use?


    damn this medium. I know what I'm thinking, but cant quite get it across.


    Speaking of rear ends, whats your thoughts on drive train geometry in general? gonna leave it alone?
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    Spent part of today fabricating/reinforcing the rear shock mounts. Took some pics.
    Thought a lot about moving the bottom mounts forward, making a single shock setup, and variations. Finally decided to go with the obvious and not over engineer it at this point. The plan, what there is of it, is to just build the bike based on common sense, not get hung up on too many details, see how it rides and handles. Then, redesign as needed, tear it down, make it pretty, and put it all back together again. No, haven't looked too hard at geometry. Too easy to get hung up on paper designing and never get to the building.

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    Traced the cardboard pattern onto some 1/8" plate and cut it off with a simple cut-off wheel.

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    After cleaning the cuts up on a grinder I attached the plates to the frame, using flat washers stacked to get proper spacing for the top shock eye. Then, torch to get it red hot, hammer to shape against frame.

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    Had Noah, our shops expert welder, do the final attachment.

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    Ta da, bullet proof top shock mounts.

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