Anyone considering the Tour of Idaho (T1) this summer?

Discussion in 'Pacific Northwet - Where it's green. And wet.' started by gameyogi, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. BlakeC

    BlakeC n00b

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    Great video, Idaho is such a great place to ride!!

    I finished T1 in 2012 exactly how it was outlined... Stick to his tracks and you'll have the time of your life!!!
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  2. gameyogi

    gameyogi Been here awhile

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    Great video, that trail looks like more than I'd want to do with camping gear on board. I'd try it with my 250, not my 525. Here's a video that I found on the web (not me) of local trails that are similar to what I'd hope to ride on T1 side excursions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_gJ8agMyUQ look at the point around 16:00 in the video for the fun stuff :evil

    Hopefully theres some slightly milder but equally amazing singletrack that we can take around the Wallace area that isn't quite as hard core :ear
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  3. redpillar

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    +1
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  4. birdcool

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    I finished the T1 in 2013. I understand the ambition to add more trail fun to the route and I love (and have ridden) some of the trails suggested. But every part of this route has to be a study in trade-off. Day 6 is already a big gas range challenge and more trail takes more gas, so that is a trade-off. Few people will be looking to detour on day 7 to the more rugged trails after 6, 12+ hour days of off-road bliss in the saddle. Most will start to think of the phrase, "too much of a good thing". I for one can appreciate the merciful ease of day 7. Adding much to day 7 is upgrading it to an 8 day ride and that is just a new ride that can go on eternally with a DS bike.

    For a route from Utah to Canada, it is quite well optimized for "fun"... challenging enough, mind blowing scenery, gets you there with in a reasonable time with just enough support along the way to make the Average Joe feel like they had a Grand Adventure.
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  5. gameyogi

    gameyogi Been here awhile

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    I appreciate the input from people who have riden the T1. Its hard to tell how difficult or remote it is just by sitting behind a computer looking at pictures. I rode the WABDR last year and although it was enjoyable it was too easy for my taste, I ended up adding in some single track to liven it up, the T1 looks to be a lot more challenging in stock form than the wabdr, but it would be nice to know of some additional alternate single track just in case...i figure u don't have to ride it if u don't want to.

    I'm not as worried about being able to say I completed it as I am about having a great ride and adventure. Have any if u folks that have riden the t1 also riden the wabdr? I'd be curious to hear a comparison, also would like to know how the single track sections compare to mission ridge, devils gulch, Cle elum ridge and other trails in taneum area, would be nice to have an idea of what I'm in for.

    Also, any input on bike choice? I can take my ktm 525 or my ktm 250 2 stroke, I've ridden them both on 1000 mile trips and prefer the 250 on single track a two track but its a drag on highway.
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  6. birdcool

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    I have ridden Devils Gulch several times, which branches off Mission Ridge by my navigation. You will encounter these "more difficult" level of trails on the T1 a few times a day, but there will be a some short "most difficult" sections tossed in occasionally (your Tronson Ridge?). To liken the T1 to your area... It is like waking up in a (fictional) motel in Liberty before dawn and eating what you bought last night for breakfast from the liberty cafe. You take the groomed forest service roads 15 miles up to Table Mountain area and over to Lions Rock to discover the awesome view. Then take a 2 mile single track trail to short cut across to the 5 miles of jeep/forest roads past Haney Meadows, to 15 miles of Mission Ridge/Devils Gulch trail. Then head up Mission Creek forest road to cross the highway in Cashmere....repeat until you get to Canada 200 off-road miles later. On average, you spend about half your _time_ riding interestingly rugged trails, that you would enjoy on a dirt bike just for the sake of the trail, and the other half of the time on dirt roads getting to the next scenic highlight or travel necessity like gas along the route to Canada.

    On bike choice, they can both make it and both have. Light is good so you will enjoy the 250 on the trail sections. But the 525 will be simpler to manage gas-oil and more comfortable on the road sections due to the reduced vibrations/6-speed. The 250 top end will be more worn by the miles when done, while the 525 engine will be just another year older. YMMV.
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  7. OrangeYZ

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    Something to consider: Superior and St Regis MT are both about 20 miles off of the route by dirt roads. And they are both at about the 2/3 or 3/4 point in the day, so if you need gas or you got a late start in Lowell, that's the time you'll realize it.
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  8. gameyogi

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    thanks birdcool, this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Yes, devils gulch is just off if mission ridge, we are talking about the same trails here. From your description it sounds like there is plenty of good single track on the t1 to keep me interested with some 2 track thrown in for some down time.

    I'm leaning towards riding the 525 for ease of use, carrying a bunch of 2t oil is a pain and the 525 is already set up with big fuel tanks and a back rack etc.
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  9. birdcool

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    Yep. On my run, I had those detours pre-routed on my GPS ... just in case. Contingency planning reduces stress. Your 2012 ride report was an excellent part of my pre-ride research. Thanks for the write-up.
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  10. Jungle Man

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    It may be in my plans to do this year, I just figured out how to map it on my gps and I'm working on it. I like your U haul idea.
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  11. Granparacer

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    You may not want to tell U Haul that you're hauling bikes, just say you are helping a friend move or something. They're not friendly toward hauling motor vehicles in their vans.
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  12. Maxacceleration

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    There's a guy who knows the trails. I did Tronson on my 690. Only once!
    Sounds exhausting.
    Nice vid & switchback work XR4EVER.


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  13. gameyogi

    gameyogi Been here awhile

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    Just picked up a used Garmin Oregon 450 and am learning to use it, one step closer to my T1 ride. I've never used a gps when riding, did the WABDR with paper maps and only got lost 57 times...thus the GPS :D

    Getting more and more excited about the ride but I'm still oscillating on bike choice, 2t or 4t. Looks like I have a couple of friends enlisted to ride along.

    Who else is going this year, and when?
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  14. redpillar

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    Check out the tour of idaho facebook page to see who is going to give it a go. It looks as if there will be quite a few this year.
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  15. pizzaforbreakfast

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    Just found this thread after starting another TID thread today. Oops.

    I rode it on a 2-smoke last year and plan on riding the same bike again this year. There are only short patches of pavement days 1-6. Day 7 has more but it is still mostly dirt.
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  16. gameyogi

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    getting closer :) I've done some 135 mile single track practice days recently, I'm thinking 200+ mile days are going to be long and challenging, we'll see if me and my buddies are up for it.
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  17. 81forest

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    Can't wait for the report! :thumb
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  18. gameyogi

    gameyogi Been here awhile

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    @pizzaforbreakfast I noticed that you posted the T1 converted from waypoints to tracks on your T1 post, would you mind reposting them here for more coverage? Thanks for sharing those by the way, I was going to do the same thing but you've saved me the time :D
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  19. thetourist

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    Too much hauling. Consider leaving your truck in Wallace, then riding fireroads from Wallace to Pocatello. Do the T1 and ride back south thru the CdA forest to Wallace.

    That would cut your road time to 700 mi instead of 2700 mi. and no rental.
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  20. gameyogi

    gameyogi Been here awhile

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    my wife has generously volunteered to drop me off and drive the truck up to either Spokane or Sandpoint, where she will leave the truck and take the train back to the Seattle area.
    Now all I need is somewhere to park the truck for a week...anyone know of anyplace that would work in either Sandpoint or Spokane?

    thanks!
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