Anyone else trying to decide between the Super Tenere and Tiger 800XC?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by Shane, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. Shane

    Shane n00b

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    My ride for the past 5 years has been an ultra-reliable 2005 Wee Strom, but both the Super Tenere AND the Tiger 800 XC are tempting me to strongly consider a new bike. I realize these two bikes have some significant differences, but I really think either would fit the bill for my type of riding (long hauls on the pavement with sudden and uncontrollable bouts of dirt road curiosity).

    What do you see as the strengths/weaknesses of these two bikes when comparing them directly? Any of you far more experienced ADV riders (and that means pretty much everyone reading this!) want to share a bit of your wisdom with me? :ear

    Thanks in advance for your 2 cents!

    (Come Back) Shane
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  2. siyeh

    siyeh Lawn Nazi

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    test ride both of them

    see which one speaks to you

    biggest dif to me is shaft vs chain

    and yes I am torn between the two,,,,
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  3. S_Palmer

    S_Palmer Been here awhile

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    I was torn too, the triumph's lighter weight is a big deal for me but in the end I picked the ST.

    I think anywhere I would take the tiger I can take the ST, neither are dirt bikes and their limitations have to be accepted.

    Price, only $200 difference, the Yamaha has adjustable suspension, tubeless tires, traction control, and has been on the road for a year. Their owners seem to love them, while the tiger is still an unknown. One big item for me is that Yamaha seems to have a dealer in almost every town, Triumph's are few and far between.

    Can't wait for May, I hope I made the right choice.
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  4. Adv Grifter

    Adv Grifter on the road o'dreams

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    Besides shaft vs. chain you are also looking at one LARGE bike vs a medium to small bike. The Tiger 800 is closer to your Wee Strom in both weight and size ... actually more compact than your Wee.

    Yamaha admit a 575 lbs. wet weight on the Tenere' ... my guess is the true weight will be 625 lbs. fully fueled and ready to ride.

    The Tiger is claimed to weigh about 465 lbs. wet ... but it too will likely be more. Probably 480 lbs. wet or very close to that. For reference, your Wee Strom is about 490 lbs. wet.

    So ... around 140 lbs. difference? :eek1 In any sort of off road riding this will be a factor. Everyone says the Tenere' rides nice and light ... but trust me, picking it up or wrestling it through mud, sand or deep gravel will not be easy. I rode my V-Strom 1000 in such conditions ... not easy .... and its only 520 lbs. wet. I have 25 years of dirt riding experience.

    As suggested ... ride both and decide. Much has to do with the character of the motors. I really enjoy the triple motors. I had a Yamaha TDM 850 which is very similar to the Tenere' lump. Never liked the character of it, but it never missed a beat. 100% reliable with 26K mile service interval.
    But the sound and feel were uninspiring ... boring actually, IMHO.

    Suzuki's Strom motors were both better than the TDM motors for me.

    Neither bike is here yet .... and won't be for a while. I'd be patient and enjoy your Wee until the real reports start coming in and you can ride both bikes. Good Shopping!
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  5. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    :lol3


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  6. Murf2

    Murf2 Been here awhile

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    Adv Grifter, Does the ST hold twice as much fuel as the Tiger?

    Murf2
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  7. PMC

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    I'm headed to the I M S this weekend and hope to throw a leg over both of those bikes. I'm not in the market for new wheels but both of these look very interesting. I'd need to ride both (not an option in this case) and if my main goal was to cover big ground on paved roads with less than 10% on gravel, I'd pick the one that felt best on the road.

    The other big factor for me is I don't have a Triumph dealer close to me that I'd do business with. It'd be a 70 mile drive at a minimum and I don't know much about them. Maybe not a big deal but if I need to have recalls done that could turn into an all day deal.

    I've got another 30-40k to put on my Vstrom 1k before I start thinking about a replacement for it :nod
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  8. stromsavard

    stromsavard Sergio

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    I was considering the same 2 bikes!! It's great someone ask because my English is not very good!! But thanks for the answer!!! I love the Super10 but Triumph with the 3 cyl....hummmm!!
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  9. llamapacker

    llamapacker Mr. Conservative

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    No. 2up and shaft drive, done.
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  10. ag_streak

    ag_streak Tiene Ruta Cuarenta?

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    I have ridden neither, so I will express my firm opinion, which you should follow blindly! :lol3

    First, take Siyeh's advice. Ride 'em both. Both are on the top of many riders' wish lists!

    Second, if your preferences lean towards two-up road riding, S10, no doubt. If you want some semblance of off-road ability and value the benefits of lighter weight and agility, solo, the Triumph seems to be a better choice.

    Of course, there are other bikes that do either road comfort/touring or off-road better, but we're comparing these two, so...



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  11. pm9654

    pm9654 Been here awhile

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    I like both models, and in the U.S., there is a bigger price difference. I guess I'd have to sit on both, see how they feel with my feet down. I guess the Tenere would make more sense to me because my riding would be mostly street, with only an occasional gravel road thrown in. I imagine it would be better on the freeways. But if it feels too big, I'd head for the Triumph.
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  12. MANXMAN

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    The ST holds 4 liters more fuel, so only about 7 lbs of Adv Grifter's estimate of 140 lbs difference is fuel weight.
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  13. dcstrom

    dcstrom Long timer

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    Here's something for you to consider... Aside from the obvious differences between the S10 and the Triumph, there's this;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>feature=iv&v=RkrvJZmJZbI&<wbr>annotation_id=annotation_<wbr>615681
    At 1:35 - "nuclear-powered dirt bike" "I felt like I was riding a big single"

    And then there's this Greek lunatic. Don't know if you can work out what he's saying
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=K2OEGZYA_nI&feature=player_<wbr>embedded
    At 9:00 - "I have one complaint from the engine. The engine is good enough, fast enough, but is working as a street bike. I feel very uncomfortable if I riding a dirty bike, and I feel down of my legs, a street bike."


    So depends what kind of engine feel turns you on, and what's more suited to the type of riding you anticipate - high-revving multi, or torquey twin?

    It's the S10 for me - I think it will make for a more relaxed ride, and in dirt will haul itself through sand and mud - with the help of traction control - more easily than the Tiger, even allowing for the Tiger's lighter weight. I've seen enough videos of the S10 in dirt to know that it will do what I need it to do there, but will make a great long-haul tarmac tourer as well.

    Trevor

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  14. coast range rider

    coast range rider Been here awhile

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    Keep your Wee.
    It offers good bang for the buck like the Yamaha, but it is light like the Triumph.
    :deal
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  15. ibeme1

    ibeme1 Adventurer

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    Please take no offense to this-I promise I am not being arumentative at all. It seems like your weight estimate is high...again please take no offense because no offense is intended.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12836924&postcount=2381
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  16. Rob Dirt

    Rob Dirt More or less in line

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    For me, it's all about the motor. If I wanted a twin, then it'd buy a KTM. I also have no use for traction control, ABS, ect...
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  17. BobLoblaw

    BobLoblaw Comfortably Numb

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    Hey noob don't worry about offending grifter he doesn't worry about offending anybody.

    However he might argue with you since he doesn't like to be confused with something more credible than his usual WAG :D
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  18. oldturtle

    oldturtle Been here awhile

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    The shaft drive on Yamaha would be deal breaker for me. I have no interest in shaft drive on semi-long travel and high powered adv bike. Reliability of concealed shaft system will always be in question. Stock gear ratios are never perfect for all riders and are easily modified with chain system. Chain has less unsprung weight for potentially better suspension compliance. I would install Scott Oiler, re-gear to suit, watch chain maintenance and be thrilled with the Tiger final chain drive.

    I have been very happy with shaft drive on standard travel touring and sport touring bikes. But even with Honda Goldwings and ST1100/1300 the final drives have had reliability issues.
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  19. Adv Grifter

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    What's your point Murphy? :brow

    The Tenere' holds 6 gallons ... the 800 Tiger 5 gallons.

    All OEM quoted weights tend to be OFF, usually under valued. But according to some UK owners who NOW HAVE the bikes in hand ... the real weight is well over 600 lbs. A few early Tiger 800's have been delivered, so far, haven't heard of anyone weighing their bike yet.
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  20. A Knight Who Says Ni

    A Knight Who Says Ni Been here awhile

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    Yes I was thinking over the 2 bikes. But I decided on the Super Tenere months ago for a variety of reasons. I would also add that I'm a triumph guy. I have owned them and love them. Triumph's current lineup is great. But the Super Tenere was the winner of this showdown for me.

    It just comes down to your personal uses and priorities.
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