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Discussion in 'Shiny Things' started by spagthorpe, Aug 5, 2011.
Here's one that gets 45 mpg towing a bike. 93 Suzuki Swift 1.3L 5spd towing my little rat bike.
My GTI VR6 had no issues getting low to mid 20s towing
I now have the TDI. Hitch is installed, but i have yet to put the trailer on it yet. I fully expect to get low to mid 30s with it towing.
Golf TDIs around here are rarer than hen's teeth. A Jetta might be found, but I just never got into the style.
I wonder how towing with a Prius would be? Talking at most two dirtbikes, or maybe one big bike. I hate the whole trailer thing, but the only remotely close option is a 4-cyl truck. At least you don't have to mess with dragging the trailer through the sand at Pismo...
Kind of drops back into the "whatever happened to the small 4x4 truck" thread though...
older Mercedes diesel?
Prius? F' that! The Prius is a false economy, the premium you pay for the Hybrid and then battery replacements negates any fuel economy savings. The Prius gets great MPG in the city but out on the freeway they're not really much better than a normal compact 4cyl car. TDIs might be rare but those stupid prius are all over the place around here.
Another option you could consider is a Full Size Chevy 1500 2wd W/T with the tallest rear end you can find, run some hard compound tires (the ones rated for max lifetime) at the highest PSI that's safe, maybe lower the truck get an airdam some aero hub caps and maybe one of those goofy High Rise bed caps (so you can but the bikes back there) and you'll probably get over 25mpg on the hwy at 65-70mph (probably going to have to be an older Manual Trans 4.3 V6). Those cars with the trailer set ups are going to be limited to 55 mph here in CA.
I've done the trailer thing, it works but I'd much rather have the bike in a truck or on a hitch carrier. I've trailered probably close to 100,000 miles, and only had 1 flat but it's always in the back of your mind that you're going to get one.
Good luck there dude.
Couple of points of reference: my 97 F150 with the big v-8 would get low 20s on road trips.
The F250 with the diesel would too, but that truck was geared to go 55mph.
Around town? Both 14-17mpg
I'd look into the MB 'SUVs' with the diesel for towing something light AND getting good mileage doing it. The Tuareg with the diesel isn't designed for economy. Stay away.
Can you rent a van for those 'pack it up and haul it' trips and keep a diesel car for daily use? Save in the long run despite the PITA of picking it up and dropping it off.
The upcoming Mazda3 or CX5 with the Skyactiv diesel should do the trick. 2.2l with 165hp and 330 ft/lbs of torque!
When I had my 2001 Integra Type R I towed 1000lbs a few times, each time I got around 26mpg.
But I wasn't going slow... :eek1
My Turbobrick can be nursed along at about 34mpg at about 55 to 60, but no-one drives that slow anymore. I've got nearly the same bike towing setup as hugemoth, and it drops into the mid-upper 20's with the bike in the front wheel holder.
I think the only way to tow bikes and get over 30 MPG at highway speeds is with a VW TDI; a couple of buddies of mine both tow dirt bikes with TDI Jettas and regularly exceed 38 MPG at 75 MPH.
I had a 2004 Ford Taurus with 24V 200 HP Duratec 3.0L V6 and could get 25-27 MPG on the highway towing 1 dirt bike. Adding a 2nd bike and person (and associated gear) and it would dive down to 20-22 MPG HWY, which was no better than my Blazer.
I recently replaced the Blazer with a 2011 VW Routan (VW version of the Dodge Grand Caravan). Already I have gotten as high as 30 MPG on the highway, with 27 MPG HWY being the norm. I just installed a Class III trailer hitch and am waiting for the opportunity to try out my trailer or hitch hauler.
I think the 2011 Sprinters are going to get the best mileage of them all, and my new one just did basically 20MPG out of the box (2011 144" wheelbase, rooftop AC, short roof). Supposedly they break in to MUCH better mileage after 10k miles or so, but even then I think I'm talking maybe 23MPG. That's not towing anything, but I'm guessing a small open trailer with two bikes on it won't change the mileage any noticeable amount (which isn't true of your tiny vehicles, but should be of this).
I'm hauling a single bike (BMW G650X) on a Versahauler on the back of a Sprinter 3500 based RV (Itasca Navion 24J) and getting about 14MPG before the break-in. Have a buddy towing an '89 Honda Civic on a small open trailer with his identical unit and he's getting 15MPG easily and 16MPG if he stays at 65MPH or so, but he's past break-in now and I'm not.
The pre-2011 Sprinters don't do the urea thing, and thus have much more restrictive exhausts. That results in less power and less efficiency. I guess the AWD is killing the mileage on the GL350 Bluetec, because otherwise it appears to have the same engine as my Sprinter. Odd. It's rated at 17/21 for mileage. Really surprising.
VW Rabbit Diesel Pickup, circa 1982-87 or so. With the tailgate down you can carry two smallish and light bikes. (Trials bikes?) Very easy to get 30+ mpg, actually more like 40+. Hard to find though and of course there are the issues with a 20-30 year old machine with 400,000 miles on them.
And a top speed of 53 mph. If anything needed a turbo, it was the early VW diesel.
There is a local guy that runs a nursery that has one. I tried talking him out of it one day, but no go. Barber I went to has an Izuzu pickup with a diesel in it, and he won't let that one go either. Old stingy farts...
With new diesels, you really have to ask yourself (and do the math): will the higher initial purchase price, higher maintenance costs, and higher diesel fuel price, be enough to justify the fuel savings???
Here is what I am using. Chevy Malibu Maxx. I normally get 30 to 35 highway (without towing) if I keep it under 70. Here is a picture from a trip I took recently - I got just a bit over 25MPG but the speeds were between 75 and 80 for most of the trip. I really miss having a truck but the tradeoff for the 95% of the time I'm not towing something hasn't forced me back yet.
my boss just sold one a few months ago (ended up getting one of these: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads18/Vw_transporter_t3_doka_sst1283955660.jpg to replace it). the rabbit diesel pu didn't get 40+ unloaded.
All depends, none of those prices have to be higher. I went from a GTI to the Golf. I nearly went with another GTI. Both have very similar features/options and were nearly the same price. Maintenance on both is nearly the same as well, oil changes every 10k with synthetic, the diesel gets a fuel filter every 20k but never needs spark plugs, both need air filters, tires, brakes, etc. AND, all of that is covered for the first 3 years or so, so its moot if you lease the thing. The GTI requires premium fuel, tdi requires diesel. Some times diesel is a bit more, other times its on par if not less than premium. GTI is rated at 32mpg highway, TDI at 42mpg highway and will hold its value better. I'm happy with the decision ive made.