Apple maps

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by guavadude, Sep 19, 2012.

  1. guavadude

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    Looks like most of the features won't be available for iPhone 4 users that don't have Siri which is a bummer. Looking forward to the update, but....
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    After seeing all the atrocious map images in Apple maps I'm wondering if the iPhone 5 can be run on the previous iOS5.
    Hard to believe they would release something so half baked.
    I miss Steve Jobs.
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    While it might be technically possible if it was hacked into a jailbroken phone, there will be no official Apple-endorsed way of running iOS 5 on the iPhone 5.

    Nice thought, but given his drive to crush Google, I am almost certain this was his idea and nobody else's.
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    I'm sure it will sort itself out in a year or two. Maybe this will push apple into buying Garmin.

    Lol, this probably is all Steve's fault, still hard to believe he would have let it ship like this.

    I'll wait until I actually have it in my hands but the screen shots I've seen are embarrassing.

    Honestly I just want google "my maps" on my phone like the android users have had for years now. Maybe google will have mercy on the apple crowd.
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    http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

    I was looking forward to Apple's vector mapping because it seemed to respond much quicker than google maps but at this point, uh, not so much.

    Posting this in case someone at Apple read advrider and wants to mention this to his boss.
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    SnoDrtRider Got Snow?

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    Best comparison I've seen so far:

    http://i.imgur.com/sWtsN.jpg
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    Open up Google maps in Safari and put a bookmark on your screen. You still won't have voice navigation but Google wasn't letting Apple use that feature anyway.
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    I'm holding off updating my new ipad to IOS 6 because of the map issue. I love looking at maps and use them all the time.

    On the other hand, the Google Maps Android app recently got better than ever. Recently I was able to finally get a scale, which had been sorely lacking. Also, just today it now shows an elevation profile on bicycle and walking routes with max and cumulative elevation gain, and has a distance finder that includes the elevation profile. Wish I had this update last week when I was on a bicycle tour (Instead I used my ipad to remote into my desktop with Google earth and get an elevation profile - cumbersome but I had to know). Pretty awesome updates.

    My next phone was going to be an iphone 5 to enjoy the synergy with devices, but with the mapping disparity, along with all other IOS negatives, I am probably going to have to go with an Android phone. The tablet may follow at some point too.
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    Doubtful. TomTom I can see...

    Yeah, it's not impressive. This kinda affirms the thoughts I had all along about TomTom maps vs. Garmin maps... TomTom is not a viable alternative to Garmin, IMO.

    I'm still bummed that my iPhone 4 doesn't even have voice-based navigation with the iOS 6 upgrade. You need the 4S or better for that :cry

    I'm sure it'll come. In the meantime, there's nothing stopping any iOS 6 user from using the Google Maps mobile site. You're just not going to get voice-based navigation like with the native Maps app.
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    Here's the best article I've read so far.

    http://m.cnet.com/news/apple-maps-in-ios-6-what-you-need-to-know-faq/57517404

    If google comes out with an app that features "my maps" and offline maps it will be much better than the crippled version that the iPhone has had.

    For designing ride routes, I haven't seen anything as easy or as good as google maps on my desktop. A slightly better handshake with my iPhone is all I really need.
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  13. 9Dave

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    I'm unimpressed by 3d maps - but I don't need it.

    I did use the turn by turn last night just for the heck of it. It gave me reliable directions on a short trip in the city with good quality turn by turn. The only complaint I have is probably too many spoken instructions. 2 miles to exit ahead, 1 mile, .25 miles, turn now - that wasn't too bad. But in close in interchanges all of the "stay left" were really annoying.

    All in all, not bad. I'm sure it will be better in urban areas and not so good in the outlying regions, and outside the U.S. in small places. But then again, I have a Garmin Nuvii if I really want a GPS in the car.
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    I am sick of the struggle between Google and Apple. My email is a version of Gmail. Every now and then my iPhone refuses to read my email and I have to go to a browser to get it off a web page. I took it to Verizon to get it sorted and they told me the two companies were screwing with each other and I was the victim of it.

    It's been working OK for a couple months now, but last Spring was a struggle to access my email from my iPhone. I hope their new map thing gets sorted.
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    There were some issues -- for example, it misplaced us by a few blocks and it wasn't as accurate in directing us to a destination, but it performed well on the whole.

    I have an issue with that comment. If it is wrong even 10% of the time, it is not performing "well". When I'm running late for an appointment, I can't afford to be 3 blocks away.
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    I tend to agree that the use of "maps not from Google" was something Jobs
    wanted to do. It was necessary because Google can and will use things which
    are proprietary as weapons in the marketplace and that means that other companies
    which chose to depend on Google product would be placing themselves in a vulnerable
    position.

    However, I very seriously doubt that Jobs would have accepted some of the product
    that Apple has produced recently. Safari 6 losing its RSS reader and the control
    over databases placed on the computer by websites are simply unacceptable.

    I don't see the point in using Apple Maps in its less-than-ideal current form when
    third-party solutions which allow nav without the need for a continuous cellular data
    connection and which work quite well are available. Navigon, Motion X, and others are
    good tools, and I speak from actual experience with these apps.

    I think Tim Cook is a bean counter and that we will not in the future see the sort of excellence
    from Apple that we saw when Jobs was at the reins. All good things come to an end, of course.


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    We're getting off-topic here, but I find Safari 6 to be the best release yet. The built-in RSS reader was absolute crap. IMO,of course. I use Google Reader within Safari 6 or Reeder on my iPad, so I don't miss the "loss" in functionality in Safari 6.

    I don't understand what you mean about "databases placed on the computer" at all. Browsers store cookies only. Browser plugins store caches and stuff specific to those plugins, which has nothing to do with Safari itself.

    I agree. I use Motion-X GPS and Motion-X Drive.

    I disagree.
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    Here's a food one!

    From BGR (Boy Genius Report)

    Link to article http://www.bgr.com/2012/09/21/ios-6-maps-criticism-hiring/



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    The above image, captured Thursday evening on an iPhone 4S running iOS 6, shows the world-famous George Washington Bridge mere moments after it collapsed into the Hudson River along with much of the hillside along the coast of New Jersey. Thankfully, this devastating catastrophe took place in a bizarre world that exists only in Apple’s (AAPL) new iOS 6 Maps application.
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    Browsers do not store cookies only. Some years ago that was true but things have
    changed in several ways.

    There are cookies and there are also Flash cookies. And then there is the
    database which can be created by a website ( this database is permitted by the HTML5 spec,
    and such databases install persistent data about your browsing habits on the device you use to browse
    the web ).

    If you care about privacy this stuff matters.


    See this link for more on the HTML5 databases which can be stored on an iPhone as well
    as on a computer running recent versions of Safari.

    http://www.devdaily.com/iphone/iphone-safari-browser-privacy-security-history-cookies



    I agree the RSS reader on Safari 5.7 sucked, but it was sufficient for my needs and I prefer
    using it to using a Google product even if the Google product works better. I have my reasons.

    I very much hope you are right that Apple's glory days did not end with the death of Jobs.
    Time will tell ...



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  20. 9Dave

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    Played with the 3D some more. Seems like in big cities, like NYC, they have the building view. In secondary cities, it is not available and you get a more muddled view.

    Turn by turn is OK.

    The availability of map data will make or break the app. As one of the articles notes - there is no map data for Grand Cayman. There is data for the USVI. I also checked some places I know in Germany and the data there is fine. Strange. Might be a licensing issue.
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