Are Dual Sports The New Standards?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Kiba, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. Anonawesome

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  2. riverflow

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    But they're ALL made up terms! Dual sport is just a made up term, they're all motorcycles.

    In my mind, I classify ADV bikes (GSA) more for touring, then dual sports (KTM690R), then street legal dirt bikes (KTM 540EXC) in order of increasing offroad worthiness and decreasing highway comfort.

    But I digress. On the original subject, I think DS bikes are entirely capable of covering the ground of standard motorbikes (and then some) so they encompass both markets. Most small DS bikes have a neutral feel to them, like the standards (from handling to seating to engine performance). I just don't think there's enough market for standards to keep them around. Triumph and Moto-Guzzi still have the cafe-racer style bikes, BMW has the RnineT, but the first two are marketed as classic bikes and the latter is more of a high-performance/luxury item.
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  3. jbhawley

    jbhawley WTF- Gus?

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    for all intensive purposes, Irregardless, is a non-standard word.
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  4. Thanantos

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    I just bought a 2013 Wee (Glee?) and this was exactly the reason. It's a modern standard bike. The long travel suspension is just bonus comfort. I have a DR350 for off road use.
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    I think the dual sports and ADV bikes are on the street and dirt sides of what a standard should be. To me a standard is a bike that can be easily modified to serve as anything from a touring bike to a larger dual sport. Too many of the ADV bikes have way too much body work and exposed mechanicals under the bike to be standards in my opinion, and the dual sports are mostly either too tall too low of an engine size to be decent long-distance bikes.

    The TU250, Triumph bonneville/scrambler, CB1100, Bandit 600, etc. would be examples of more modern "standard" type bikes. Some of the naked bikes come close, but they need a frame under the engine or some kind of cheap underbody protection. When I hear of a standard bike, I picture an early to mid 80's Honda CB750/Nighthawk. You could turn that bike into a distance tourer easily and fairly cheaply, or you could go the other way and make it a dedicated dirt road/atv trail bike, also easily and fairly cheaply, and you don't have to be a master fabricator to do it with mostly homemade parts.


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  6. markk53

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    Actually the terms have been somewhat defined by the AMA in their dual sport and adventure bike rides.

    The dual sport ride takes place on actual enduro trails with extremely difficult terrain. Knowledgeable friends who have ridden the competitions say it would be quite painful to run an adventure bike on them and really if you want to have fun and enjoy it a plated enduro is the trick. It clearly rewards LTS and light weight. They said most "dual sport" riders would likely enjoy the adventure ride much more, with the dual sport ride appealing a lot more to former racers.

    The adventure rides use some of those trails, but cut out the worst, making the ride enjoyable for the adventure bike riders. More realistic riding, even for the current dual sports.

    I don't know for sure though since I've done neither.
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  7. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Kind of like automobiles and motorcycles since they're both just motor vehicles, huh?
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  8. markk53

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    Kind of a double negative. Like contradicting the root word. :eek1

    Now that is for all intensive purposes! :wink:
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  9. devo2002

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    With all due respect...
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