Are there any stealth radar detectors?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by David Shapiro, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. David Shapiro

    David Shapiro Been here awhile

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    Any stealth radar detectors? There used to be a Valentine one that was wired into a rearview mirror. It's not so much the steath as I don't want my handlebars to look like an electronics store.

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  2. HighFructose

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    Escort 8500ci, 8500ci plus, and the 9500ci. top of line installed is the BEL sti-r plus

    i run a standard 8500ci with a hyperlight flashing brake light to alert me when the radar goes off
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  4. David Shapiro

    David Shapiro Been here awhile

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    These are all intriguing. $1200 for an escort or the Bel :eek1 seems like a lot of money. The 8500 ci regular or plus seems like the sweet spot. Did you guys install them yourselves?

    Thanks,
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  5. Ranger Ron

    Ranger Ron Been here awhile

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    This one's not really stealth, but it does have a remote antenna unit. The control head/display can be mounted anywhere. This one is a Whistler 3450.

    Here's the head/display unit:

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    The antenna unit is mounted just above the cruise control servo:

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    Ron :D
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  6. k-moe

    k-moe Long timer

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    The "mark" that you let ride (or drive) in front of you :deal

    As to the cost of the commertial detectors: How much will a ticket cost you (including your time, and potential insurance rate increase)? Consider the cost of a good detector as an insurance premium.
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  7. HighFructose

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  8. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Decided to delete my post which questioned if these devices actually work or not.

    That is not the question the OP asked.
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  9. tvpierce

    tvpierce Been here awhile

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    Wow. I've been wondering literally for decades why the detector manufacturers don't make a modular product like this. :clap

    I like the LED warning. Seems like it would work well in the helmet.
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  10. fastdadio

    fastdadio Still gettin faster

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    I would be very interested in your opinion of weather these things work.:evil
    I had one 20 some years ago. Seems like it was random hit or miss then.
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  11. dsy

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    Everyone seems to have their own view of whether or not they work.
    Like any other tool if you don't know how to use it, they don't work.
    I have been running one since the early days of the "FuzzBusters" and for me they work great :D

    Doug

    ps. I do not use a detector to get away with speeding. More of a reminder to keep my speed within reason.
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  12. Thanantos

    Thanantos Ride hard.

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    Fair enough then. Fastdadio knows, but for the rest of you, I'm a cop and have been trained and regularly use both radar and laser for speed enforcement. Given that, I'll also say that in the end this is just one pig's opinion. Take it with the appropriately sized grain of salt.

    First of all let's discuss laser because that's where most MC speed tickets come from. Laser is virtually instantaneous and pinpoint. No laser detector can tell you of there is a laser speed measuring device in the area because the laser beam is so small. Basically, if your laser detector goes off it's only telling you that you're about to get pulled over (if you were speeding).

    Radar is a similar story, but where these devices have a very small chance of saving you. LEO's are trained to NOT activate the radar until they have identified a speeder. This is partly to foil radar detector users and partly because it's unnecessary.

    If you sit in one spot for 5 minutes watching traffic, even the untrained eye can spot which cars are faster and LEO's are not only trained at this but spend a lot of time at the same locations doing just this.

    If I activate my radar to measure your speed, the odds are very high we're gonna have a chat. So again, the detector only tells you that you're busted.

    It is possible that you will find an LEO improperly using the device and measuring the speed of every vehicle, but that would be rare, IMHO.

    I am sure many will post about all the times their device went off and then they saw a cop a mile later, but how do you know it was his radar that caused the device to go off and not other interference?

    Then there's the intangibles. LEO's have discretion in who gets a ticket. Most LEO's I know write far less tickets then they give out warnings. (unless it's a traffic car, those guys would write there Moms tickets)

    But, when you use one of those devices it's viewed by most LEO's as an intent to break the law. Talking your way out of a ticket with a radar detector attached to your bike will be MUCH more difficult, if not impossible.

    There's more, but this is already long and I've had this argument before so I know it's impossible to change the mind of real RD believers. For those of you who are considering it, I'd recommend you stay away.

    EDIT and P.S.: When I was in the academy the RD our instructor used for training broke so he went down to the local Radio Shack and bought another. He gets it back to school and fires a radar unit at it. Nothing. He goes back and gets another. Same result. He then brings his radar unit to the Radio Shack and tested every unit they had of this high end brand and every unit did nothing when a radar unit was activated at it. He found a cheap one that worked and bought it. How would you know if yours just didn't work?
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  13. joexr

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    They do help , but they don't make you invisible. If you're going three times the speed limit , you're busted. They can also be a false sense of security. A decent radar detector also picks up other radar detectors. Then , of course , there are radar and laser jammers.
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  14. Solarbronco

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    I have the Bel electronics unit. It has paid for itself many many times.

    If there are cars in front of you, it will let you know when those cars were getting read. If you are alone on the road, you are screwed and it will only tell you that you are getting a ticket.

    It works especially well in the desert, where there is nothing, and then it goes off on a car two- four miles down the road.

    They decrease your chances of getting a ticket, but if you are the only person they click the radar on, you are screwed.
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  15. fastdadio

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    My observations from the years I drove with a detector on the visor reflect pretty much what Than posted above. They're not fool proof. With the modern pulse type laser, by the time your detector registers a hit, your speed is locked in on the dash and your done. I doubt very much that there is enough laser reflection/wash off of a vehicle up front to give any reliable signal to you, a mile back. After mine failed, I elected not to replace it. YMMV
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  16. sandsman

    sandsman Back in the saddle again..............

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    The RD user has to know the faults of his unit. And just don't be stupid. I have a Bel 8500, it's by far the best detector I have used, it's in the wife's truck, I run an Escort in the "fast" car. Don't be the "point" guy out front because you will get tagged. Eyes open to the front, and listen up to your RD, don't be stupid. Most leo's are giving more tickets now days, even though I got a warning the other day, 75 in a 70, not paying attention and yakking on the phone. The RDs are just a tool and if you use it wrong, tag, you're it. Just my opinion.
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  17. SkiFastBadly

    SkiFastBadly A beer? Yes, please

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    One of the most informative posts I've ever read here. Don't you know that this forum is supposed to be reserved for trolling, flame throwing, or spreading ignorance? Sheesh!
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  18. Thanantos

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    Thanks!
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  19. FTL900

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    Are you serious?? For 5 over at freeway speeds?? When I lived in Atlanta, 10 over meant you're the slowest guy on the road, until rush hour when everybody stops.

    I've used radar detectors, but not in a long time. I've gone through radar traps doing 10-11 over, and nothing. I expect out here in the desert, they're waiting for a bigger fish to fry. So daily driving, I try to keep it to a safe speed, which usually means there is someone else going faster than me (decoy).

    When I'm travelling longer distances, I hang out at around 10 over, until somebody passes me going faster. Then I'll put about 1/4 mile between us, and pick it up to their pace, while watching ahead for brake lights. It's a pretty common effect that even people driving slower than the speed limit will hit their brakes when they see a police car.

    I've had 2 speeding tickets in the last 7-8 years, and both were caused my inattention on my part. I wasn't paying attention to the speed limit or to how fast I was driving, and didn't even realize I was speeding.
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  20. David Shapiro

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    The fact is that I don't really speed, much. As I've aged, I'm far from the fastest guy on the road, car or bike. That being said, there are still times that I would like some warning, Thanatos' excellent post notwithstanding.
    David
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