Are you ATGATT?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by Aj Mick, Aug 30, 2013.

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Are you ATGATT?

  1. Dunno, dont care. Biker gear for me.

  2. Maybe a helmet, maybe not. I dress for the weather and my destination.

  3. I dress for the weather and my destination, and always a helmet when on the road.

  4. Usually a helmet, motorcycle jacket and gloves, but don't make a big deal about gear.

  5. Most of the gear, most of the time.

  6. ATGATT..... all the gear, always.

  7. ATGATT plus; all the recommended gear then some.

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  1. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Let's extrapolate this a little.

    You only need ATGATT for abrasion and impact protection if you fall off.

    For myself and possibly one or two other folks, the rest of the time ATGATT will make the rider more comfortable by reducing dehydration, sunburn, windburn, and other exposure-related issues in hot climes, and with layers or electrics underneath can beat cold weather as well.

    Year-round it is there to catch the bugs, small debris and the like off the road that would otherwise impact the wife-beater shirt, bare arms, and legs, and those oh-so-cute flip-flops at highway speeds. Thus bringing the absence of ATGATT to the attention of that rider, post haste. (not Homey, just those folks we see riding like this)

    As for leathers, if you have sweat heavily in them, been in rain, or just worn them fairly often for a year or more the seam strength and abrasion resistance will have likely been reduced significantly. Replacing leathers regularly due to the effects of these things on leather is an additional cost of wearing leather for protection. I haven't heard much good about leather for comfort, nor is it practical for daily wear.

    Motoport Air Mesh Kevlar (not like ANY other mesh gear) is an example of gear that testing has shown to be a little stronger than NEW competition leather in abrasion resistance and TEN TIMES as strong in seam strength. The material won't deteriorate over use and will last a long time. For street riding this product made the most sense to me after considering all the options.

    When I talk about me wearing gear all the time, I am talking about gear that can be worn comfortably all the time over my clothes. Gear that is designed to be easy to get into and out of also adds to this comfort aspect. I can be in or out of the gear in a minute, and knocking about in regular clothes at work or at play.

    Comfort is the most significant reason for ATGATT. The greater protection provided is a secondary consideration worthy of merit. For me it was the icing on the cake. The cake itself was being able to ride hundreds of miles per day for consecutive days in comfort.
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  2. metale

    metale Been here awhile

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    This, and plan to add a chest protector for when I feel that I will push it.
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  3. Homey

    Homey Been here awhile

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    bored? ;) We need more quite posting stupid and redundant post posts!
    :clap
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  4. pretbek

    pretbek Long timer

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    Exactly. That is why I never wear my gear on days that I am guaranteed not to crash. :)
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  5. Homey

    Homey Been here awhile

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    Exactly! :thumb
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  6. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    Because of Murphy's Law, those are the only days I wear gear. :lol3
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  7. Vertical C

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    Why isn't there an option for mind your own business and doesn't provide an answer....

    The first one still answers it.
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  8. Dolly Sod

    Dolly Sod I want to do right, but not right now

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    There is that option, don't answer the question, don't respond to the thread, don't click on the thread link.
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  9. joexr

    joexr Banned

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    It needs a none of the above choice also.
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  10. Aj Mick

    Aj Mick Been here awhile

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    Culture, for sure..... With around 85% of ADVrider forum members claiming to be ATGATT or thereabouts (based on the present sample of about 135 votes) those who are not come in for a bit of a hard time. Given how hotly the topic is debated, I would have expected a more even spread, but now I see it as more a case of peer pressure to fall into line.

    But as you suggest you would, how many others would adopt the local culture fairly promptly in a different environment?

    Actually, more than a few motorcyclists from the West dare not ride the mean streets of these Southeast Asian parts. Cultural differences on the road apply to more than just attire.

    With registered motorcycles outnumbering car by three to one in Phuket, riding is primarily a practical way to get around locally. For long distance travel people use a car (if they have one available) or public transport.

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  11. DudeClone

    DudeClone Long timer

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    i am not atgatt :muutt
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  12. HooliKen

    HooliKen Awesome is a flavor

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    I would be ATGATT all the time if I could find some over-pants for tall dudes that don't suck..... :becca

    But because of that. Usually commuting I wear everything but the pants. Real rides or offroad I am geared up

    Only pants I have found that even remotely fit right are Klim Dakars and they are not armored. Once I unload some of my unused gear will probably look into some used Latitudes or Badlands. But the price on those puckers my ass a little.
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  13. MotoTex

    MotoTex Miles of Smiles

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    The folks at Motoport will have you covered.

    Priced better than the Klim Badlands or Latitude and custom made to your spec for size, color, pockets, reflective, etc. (I have almost 40K miles riding with the Air Mesh Kevlar over-pants and love them year round, on and off pavement. Other styles are available.)

    Their pants are tougher than competition leather in both abrasion and tear strength and include extensive armor. You can wear them over clothes and be in or out of them in seconds.
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  14. Aj Mick

    Aj Mick Been here awhile

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    A sensible attitude to my way of thinking. Risk management is what it is all about.

    When canyon carving, on a track, or similar, a rider is pushing the limits, and the chance of going beyond the limit is relatively high. Single bike accidents or being taken out by another relatively lightweight vehicle heading the same direction are most likely.

    In an off you are likely to land up skidding along the road for quite a bit. It is situation in which ATGATT gear, especially leathers provide good protection, particularly from abrasion.

    Commuting riders don't tend to probe the limits of their bikes. Accidents as a result of loss of control of the bike at the limits are less common. Accidents involving collision with, or when evading, other vehicles are a far greater risk.

    A commuter motorcyclist is surrounded by relatively large vehicles travelling at high speed, and immovable objects such as barriers, signs, power poles, raised kerbs, and much more. While ATGATT gear provides some protection, it is not particularly effective against a sudden stop when a heavy vehicle or an immovable object when moving at relatively high speed is involved.

    In terms of risk management….

    In the former situation, when probing the limits, the risk is higher, and good gear provides good protection if you do push it too far.

    In the latter situation, riding is more about staying aware and anticipating to minimise risk, because in typical accident situations gear is of relatively limited benefit.

    That is not to say, gear is unnecessary. It is more about attitude and choosing gear appropriate to your situation.
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  15. pne

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    99% of the time I will have a helmet on, if it's not required where I'm riding and the mood strikes me I may go without, but only in the city for a short trip IE dinner. In that case always eye protection and ear plugs.

    I used to be very anal but somewhat relaxed over the years. Mostly I will have a leather jacket and gloves, some over the ankle shoes at minimum. The exception is when the gear interferes with my mental state. I rode across a lot of northern thailand, fullface helmet, dirt bike jersey, pants and shoes, no gloves. 100+ humid heat I was more worried about getting heat stroke than crashing. But you're right it is a statistics game which is why I will always have certain equipment like ear and eye protection, because the chances of debris hitting my eyes and being exposed to loud noise (and taking away my concentration) is 100%.
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  16. DudeClone

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    helmet / riding jacket / long pants / boots or high tops, oft times leather high tops. yeah i know leather high tops means crap so far as protection but i get ankle support and pretty good grip. good grippy soles are preferred

    the riding jackets have been far more common since getting a faster bike and using the freeway but i will still use the Dickies unlined Eisenhower for around town or even distance on particularly hot days. which i consider 90F+. but even then i may choose a riding jacket as i have a couple which vent well
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  17. ACR

    ACR Stuff n' Thangs

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    I wonder if the people that choose to ride with minimal/no gear have ever experienced the pain associated with the previous in,

    A) bone /skin to metal
    B) bone/skin to dirt
    C) bone/skin to bone/skin :wink:
    D) bone/skin to pavement
    E) bone/skin to concrete

    I have experienced all except for C. Seeing what happened to Anderson Silvas leg, I can imagine colliding with a pedestrian, or worse, motorcyclist. The level of pain experienced is something which I hope to never feel again. Since there is gear to minimize the chances of feeling such pain, I wear it.

    If more people crashed and scared themselves, the gear would be worn in hopes to never feel that misery again. That is, of course, if they're not complete idiots.
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  18. Wraith Rider

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    It helps not being scared if you are good in predicting when you're going to need how much gear. Sorry for you if you are scared.
    *got road rash from crashing his bicycle and even by feet, but never from crashing one of his motorcycles - geared up or not*
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  19. Jamesx2

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    full face helmet, shield down most of the time
    MX boots
    Jeans
    High vis yellow jacket
    leather gloves


    Why do some people ride without gloves??
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  20. sphyrnidus

    sphyrnidus born to ride

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    I read a lot of people not wearing gear when riding locally. But think about the fact that most accidents happen within a 10 mile radius of home. Or in the first and last 10 Miles of a trip..
    I'm ATGATT always, but seldom use the bike for short trips.
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