Are you smarter than McKinley Cnty Sheriff's Dept?

Discussion in 'The Rockies – It's all downhill from here...' started by BigBeemerBob, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. Reddog*

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    Seems pretty sad to me when your best chance for help of any sort is having friends or family raise the 911 flag on a forum.
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  2. VxZeroKnots

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    Why? Having a rider/riders who knows the area and all the trails, spurs, and nooks and crannies out looking for you is probably the second best thing to a Air National Guard MH-60 with FLIR.

    I highly doubt all the local authorities combined know about every trail, two track, and wash; a rider or group or riders would. The next best thing would be hunters. That isn't so much a knock on LEO's and SAR but just a testament to the vastness of the west.
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  3. NMTrailboss

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    ...and a testament to the knowledge of the land of the riders on this forum!! :deal
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  4. Hair

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    BBB you will not be the first person who's been told to stay the hell out of NM. Hopefully you will be the last.


    Your trip into the New Mexico wilds endangured more then just your ego. I say ego because your dumb ass life was never in jepperady.

    The first turn you made was wrong. The first bump in the road you hit was a show stopper for you. The dam thing was a foot wide and about the same deep. You dropped your GS, big deal.

    I'll tell you what was the big deal. You had several people on this site worried about you. A few took action. That action didn't come with out risk.

    I've said this before and I will say it again. Once the decission has been made to help a fellow rider out, I'm all in. I did not bitch or complain during the rescue. But the truth be told you were out here to fail. You wanted to fail so that you could tell all your friends back home how brave you were and how you just bairly made it back alive.

    I would have no problem in supporting your efforts if I could tell that you have made an effort to change. To prepair yourself for a challange. But I don't think that you have.

    so for now. Stay the hell out of the NM BackCountry. Quit bashing our law enforcement people. After all the fricken state police sent a helli to save your lame ass. You never did thank them. You don't belong here and you are not welcome.

    Hair
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  5. TinkerinWstuff

    TinkerinWstuff Take it apart

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    this might be the most drama I've seen on ADV.

    I remember the original thread and did a lot of reading when I originally got a SPOT.

    The video is hilarious BBB :rofl With that public shot over the bow, you might want to avoid any traffic infractions while traveling through McKinley county.
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  6. BigBeemerBob

    BigBeemerBob Just call me "Beemer Bob"

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    Sorry you feel that way Hair. FYI, I did in fact thank the officer that I rode with and wrote a letter to the State Police central office thanking them for their assistance. Why did you say that I did not thank them?

    Secondly, my beef is with the County, not the state. The county Sheriff's Dept. NEVER dispatched anyone from their department even though they told IRECC they had. They just turned it over to the small police dept. in Crownpoint (A Navajo community, pop about 2k) even though I was not on Navajo land. McKinley never contacted the state police, it was only IERCC that did. McKinley Country never followed up to see if I had been found. I contacted McKinley County addressing the need for training of their dispatchers. Instead of seeing this as a "training opportunity", they sent me a letter back stating that is was Crownpoint that could not find me, so they (McKinley County) were without fault. All I ever wanted from McKinley County was to accept that some training was needed. I made the video in an effort to draw some attention and hopefully get the McKinley County to provide better training so that this does not occur again.

    Yes I learned several things and it was a learning opportunity for me. I do not go into remote areas by myself anymore and I learned that I do not have the skill to ride a bike as large as the GS in rugged areas. I am very appreciative of you and others that came or tried to come to my assistance. I also know that some folks were going to come out that afternoon but were told that McKinley County was sending people out. So it that instance, McKinley Country actually hampered my rescue.

    I will come to New Mexico as I damn well please. If I get in trouble, do not come to my rescue. If, however, you come to my county and need assistance, I hope that my county provides assistance to you and you are not ignored or that my county is not too incompetent to help.

    Again, I thank you for you assistance.
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  7. Hair

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    Spot is a for profit company. They rely on local communities to cover the cost of recovery. I know from other experiences that I have been involved with those recovery costs are way more than Spot's share of the system.


    I think that if one assumes that a local community will respond to an outside call for help is naive. Spot is a relatively new system. No one has really address how to respond to it yet.

    As for the Sheriff department. I would say that you might consider picking a number and get in the complant line. A lot of people don't like the way that local departments are run. It is not all uncommon in New Mexico for the state police to have to take action on case that should have been handled at the local level.

    Just an FYI I've heard that 911 calls where a helli is dispatched cost the rider around 15K out of pocket. I would love to hear what the state charged you for your ordeal.
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  8. HellSickle

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    I'm gonna wait for the movie to come out. Keanu Reeves as BBB?

    Literary license will probably call for a variety of limb amputations and canabalism.
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  9. TinkerinWstuff

    TinkerinWstuff Take it apart

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    The offending trail washout will probably be larger as well

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  10. Boulder Ed

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    Time to suck it up and move on... nobody owes any of us anything. We need to be responsible and carry medical gear, water, tire patching stiff, tools, candy, beer, matches and a space blanket for survival if we want to ride alone in the sticks. It's not law enforcement/search and rescues obligation to immediately drop everything and save someone who makes the calculated risk of riding unprepared, alone, in unfamiliar conditions to save a few pounds.

    BTW, I don't dare for law enforcement when I get a ticket, can think of a million higher priorities for them, but I don't complain about it, cause it's my fault.
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  11. AteamNM

    AteamNM Wonna Be ADVrider

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    BBB, you need to get over the McKinley County thing. The LEO in rural NM cover 1000's of square miles and run on a shoe string budget. They have drunk Indians, knife fights off the Rez, drunks killing people and a meth problem that is way out of control. They get a call, there is a rich Texan lost or maybe hurt out in the bad lands. LOE says, well too bad for him, maybe Crowpoint can help him.

    I just read the whole report, thank you new Mexico FF'ers. They would have found you without the helo, they spent a lot of money and time as well as risk. ADV had your back. You wrote a good report but now seem to be mad at the LOE. Riding a 700 pound bike by yourself in the wilds of NM is just asking for trouble. Go fall over on your Cadillac in Big Bend somewhere and see how long Border Patrol and LOE take to find you. Same result I bet.

    You seem to have a lot of money, buy a Sat phone and forgetaboutit. Great SPOT report, good stuff but please don't rail on our low paid, poorly respected law enforcement here in little old third world New Mexico. Lastly, broken ribs hurt yes. But you know what, I would have done everything in my power to help myself before hitting the panic button. If my leg was broke, I would drag the useless limb behind me, if I were bleeding, I would stop the bleeding and push on. Hell I ended up with 7 stitches in my ball sack after a bicycle wreck, at the steps of a ghospital. I rode my bike, drove home, inspected the hanging chad and then went to the eR. man the hell up old man. You got the bike up and running, then pussed out? Really? My whole take on this situation is the SPOT should have never been in play on this one. You should have put on your cowboy hat and ridden out on your own. My wife taught skiing for many days after breaking 4 ribs, 2 in front and 2 in back, then worked on a wedding for several days climbing a ladder, etc. She would have rode her bike out. But then she is only 52, so I guess at 60 you should buy a Goldwing.
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  12. S4Poor14

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    ^^^Well put^^^
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  13. MeterPig

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  14. ROAD DAMAGE

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    Me too.

    Time to quit wasting bandwidth on this mental masturbation and witch hunt. :dhorse
    Bob, time to put on your "big boy pants" and just get over it.

    Oh yeah, ever thought about a quad or trike? :wink:

    Glad you weren't hurt.

    Rob
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  15. TinkerinWstuff

    TinkerinWstuff Take it apart

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    awe hell - I figure if a guy makes it to be 60+ then he's probably earned some right to be crabby and bitter.

    Be glad most of you probably won't be around when it's my turn!

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    Just here to lighten the mood - carry on :rofl
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  16. SnowMule

    SnowMule [angry moth noises]

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    SAR/Sheriffs can't be masters at everything, but yeah, not having any navigation and backcountry experience is something that makes me nervous. For that reason, I'd much rather call on other snowmobilers to assist in a rescue than SAR.

    Back in January, two brothers were snowmobiling on Rabbit Ears Pass. A series of unfortunate events ended with the two triggering an avalanche with one fatality. One of the biggest challenges for SAR was navigating and communicating points in space when there aren't roads or waypoints to base the location off of. Different lat/long formats (decimal degrees vs. DMS) as well as map datums (WGS84? NAD83?) led to some confusion as to where they actually were.
    The other problem was the lack of equipment and skills to get to the brothers. While they had access to snowmobiles, nobody on the SAR team are experienced riders and their sleds were simply incapable of reaching the location of the slide. They got as close as they could with their machines/experience, then shoeshoed/skied the remainder of the way.

    I was on that slope weeks before the avalanche happened. While it's not an overly difficult location to get to, your average sledder probably won't be comfortable with the terrain.

    The family has started a backcountry avalanche/navigation non-profit in hopes of training not only those that ride the backcountry, but also the responders involved in backcountry rescues. That video only proves the need for education...
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  17. AteamNM

    AteamNM Wonna Be ADVrider

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    I wrote this later, but still going to post it and.....

    Bob, the cost of your our SPOT would pay the mobile home mortgage for three months for that McKinney County policeman. Why would they even need a GPS? How many people get lost there and have a SPOT?

    Man oh man I really want to rant here. You seem to act like a limousine liberal. Do you really think that because you were not rescued in a few hours it is the fault of McKinley County or Crow Point? Really.


    Hey we just got a call from dispatch. Another fat rich Texan needs his arse bailed out. Oh really what is up? Oh I guess this guy fell down and he can’t pick up his super awesome farkle queen motorcycle. This dude has some satellite emergency beacon thing and we got a call from some fella that want’s us to drive 70 miles out near Crow Point and go looking for him. I guess that domestic dispute, the bar fight, the report of shots fired out behind the Hardware or the methed’ out Indian trying to rob the All Sups again should wait. Call up Crow Point and see if they can get Jose to go look for him. They gave us a bunch of gibberish number but I think he may be down Burro Wash near the intersection of Waldo Arroyo and Hagerman's point? He may have wandered over on Eagle Feathers place? Well I think Jose is taking his daughter to Farmington for chemo but maybe he is painting the Parker place unless he is driving his sheep to Gallup. Well then see if the chief of the volunteer fire department can get that crazy son in law to go look for him. How long has be been crying for help on that satellite deal. Oh I reckon a few hours, maybe we can look for him tomorrow?


    Do you really think you rank a super high priority? Let’s talk about the video. I know ugly third graders that can make a better video than your Movie Maker POS. Have you listened to this video, have you looked at yourself? Blasting away on the local police, they don’t know what a GPS is, they are literate? And you stumbling around, barely able to walk and mangling your words, blurry images? I bet the McKinley guys are laughing their ass off. I have read the whole SPOT thread and then watched your video after I posted. I came away with a few observations that I think needs to be shared here:

    • You got yourself into a situation that you could not handle on your own, but then wait a minute here. It’s Bush’s fault, I mean McKinley County.
    • You have a 600 to 800 pound motorcycle riding in the bad lands, in the remote deserts of New Mexico, and without a visa as well - being we are a third world country but we do speak some English. You wreck due to a rut – oh my, it was a big rut, should have seen it. Huge I tell you. WOW.​
    • Now you have fallen. I love the part where you say that you were about to pass out, but you were able, in your last and dying grasp, to reach your SPOT, just before you passed out; but didn’t really pass out, but you thought you would. Okay, so you have fallen and YOU CAN reach your SPOT, so lets hit the red panic button. SOS, mayday, HELP, 911! But then you realize hey, I’m not dead, I’m not bleeding, I can breath (ABC – first aid right, airway, breathing and circulation). I think I broke my ribs. So I will say I need help. ​
    • You didn’t need help. You wussed out. And your from Texas, shame on you. But being the resourceful guy you are, you pulled out your LL Bean rope and pulley system but declined to remove your 500 pounds of luggage. I now, there was a lot of stuff on your BEEEEEEmer. the battery powered blender for mojitos, Cuban cigars in your Belfast pocket humidor, placed on top of the 5th of Chivas or is that Drambuie. And you can’t spill the ice in your Pelican beer cooler bought from Cabala's. So anyway you get the bike back up and I suppose it’s running. ​
    • But then you decided, I can’t ride with these broken ribs, so I will just hit my SPOT again and again. Let everyone know. May as well pull out my I pad and check my email, post on my blog and twitter, oh and face book. I’m asking where is that sat phone? ​
    • You gave up, decided that you will wait for help. So now lets get the third world New Mexico involved here. Where the hell are they? Oh snap, I may have to spend the night here? Oh my, lions, tigers and snakes, oh my. What will I do? FFFKKK! You man the hell up and say okay, I have lemons, time to make some lemonade now. Again, sometimes in life you got to man the hell up. ​
    • Back to you Bob. Your over 60, your riding a heavy ass BEEEEmer, out in the desert and I doubt you would have been able to walk a mile. God forbid if you ever fall over board on a boat, your dead dude. You are out of shape, over weight and depending on a SPOT for some cracked ribs.​
    • 60 ain't crap if your in shape. I get beat in nationals by guys that are over 65, some even ride at 70+. Age is not as much a factor as body condition. I also have a freind that walked out of Virgin Canyon, about 10 miles of mountains to tell the rescue folks where his son was and then got on a bike and led them there, he was only like 68 years old though. ​
    I know, pretty harsh. But you ranting on the McKinley County police is weak sauce dude. Should have left things alone. I bet waiters or waitress’s hate people like you, I bet you tip bad as well. You seem to be full of yourself in that video. Your rescue ADV FF’s have an IQ less than a third grader too I suppose. How much was that helicopter bill? Did the state get our money back? How about posting up that X-ray of those broken ribs, oh sorry, I meant the broken sternum. Have you paid it forward yet? Why don’t you call up Kmart in Gallup and pay off a few lay away accounts for diapers or gas for their generators. Maybe some feed for their sheep or a battery for their 1985 Dodge truck? You know there are folks living out there that don’t have electricity nor a GPS. You spend more on a tank of gas than they do on food for a month. Like they need a dang GPS system there, we will get sewer and water later. Need cell towers as well, can’t let those Texan’s spend the night out in the bad lands because they get themselves in such a predicament. I damn sure would rather be in a life boat with one of those illiterate Indians or locals than with you. I know a girl who was a world class marathon runner. She was winning the White Rock in Dallas one year and fell. Broke her wrist, bone actually broke the skin. She got back up and won the race. They asked how did you finish with a broken wrist? She said “oh the wrist, well I just dragged the useless limb”. Glad it wasn’t a rib or two.

    Well Bob, you have a right to go get lost, get hurt, run off a cliff. You have a right to expect some help from local agencies, which you received. We are by nature adventurers. But to now make a video and rag on emergency personnel. All I can say is to go piss up a flag pole you jerk. ​


    I think this thread should be called: Help, I fallen in a big rut with my big ass BMW and I can’t rech my SPOT! I see you put a hack on your BEEEEmer. Good idea, room for the portable satellite, cooler with ice cream and candy bars, maybe a few boxes of Twinkies and a keg of Heineken. Still have to watch out for that left side fall though. But if that happens, you can get out your LL Bean emergency tripod and pneumatic winch system to get you on your way. NASA and NOAA are tracking you now anyway, we will come rescue your sorry ass again when you need us. Just how ADV rolls me thinks.​


    If I offended you in any way, good. I hear there are some really good hill country rides down near Fredericksburg, maybe you should consider pavement from now on? And I would suggest getting a handicap decal for your BEEEEmer and side car, they have lots of handicap parking at the Bingo Hall and wifi for on the SPOT blogging and twitter..​

    Ateam is out.​
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    That response should go in the ADV hall of fame. Now. :deal
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    I have been on here for far too long and seen a lot of rants, but ATeam hits one out of the park!!
    I'm dying here!:rofl

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