Arizona National Feedback

Discussion in 'Trials' started by LowPSI, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. LowPSI

    LowPSI Been here awhile

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    The Central Arizona Trials (CAT) put on a first class National this past weekend. Great organization, terrain and section were tops, only 4.5 hours from LA, cool 70 deg days and occasional thunderstorms, I thought I was in Colorado. BUT..... the turn out was low. Only 65 riders. It would be good to know why turnout for western Nationals is low. Please give us your opinion.
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  2. lineaway

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    We have only three riders riding this year. A lot of it has to do with hosting a national this year. Our numbers are down locally . A lot has to do with the economy. Hard to justify a trip back east.
    Maybe it`s time to revise the national structure?:ear
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  3. motobene

    motobene Motoing for 46 years

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    This is a problem the world over. There are many factors. Yes, the economy. Much of the world is less wealthy than before 2008, or about the same but with higher costs for energy and time. The FIM has pondered this, and made some poor choices in my opinion, but we shall see. Maybe the sport needs a frenetic no-pause pace to attract youth playing video games?

    In the USA we have the problem of A VERY BIG COUNTRY. Our advantage is things are cheaper here than in Europe, though we don't see it. $10/gal. gasoline is, well, unthinkable. We have so many obligations on our time. Too much to do? To much we allow ourselves to get entangled with? It's hard to simplify our lives. I have motorcycles for three types of riding, but only time enough to do any one justice. Yet I keep all the others. I should sell them and get back to trials only. But the wife wants her one big transcontinental dual sport ride and camp each year, and some dual sport friends may call and say, "Hey, let's go do Moab again before they eco fascists steal it!" And those dreams are on top of building and working a ranch.

    In Europe there is the problem of INSANE PRICES for energy, and the advantage shorter distances, though European kilometers are longer than North American miles (those who have driven there know). Europeans do tend to take the sport quite seriously, however.

    Another problem is the growth of the virtual world. It was a long time ago that if you didn't move physically, there'd be nothing to do but breathe and stare. Imagine a future of trials adventures that are virtual and on line. No need to risk the body and get in trouble with a Nanny government.

    Yet we should take heart. We live in a time of unprecedented prosperity where we have choices and the means to carry them out. We can bolster the social connections that make a healthy local club that attracts interest and growth.

    It's up to us to do more and reach out more. One potential rider at a time.
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  4. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    Well I was there. Checking for you in section 7. But I have nothing to compare it to. It was my first national ever. I thought it was very well put together.

    Attendance did feel a little low talking to others who have done nationals before. I don't know how many were scared when they saw Arizona + Summer and thought it was going to be a fry session (it wasn't the weather was GREAT!). I bet a few may have made other plans when they saw the forest fire that was in the area a month before (didn't affect the event at all).

    I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of out of state plates that I did see. There were many who did travel a good distance to attend. As for access it was nothing more then taking the interstate to one of the 2 exits and following the pavement all the way to the top of the mountain.

    For those who missed it, this is some of what the area was like. Namely the cabin I got for the event.
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    And the morning visitor
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    You should have been there!
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  5. LowPSI

    LowPSI Been here awhile

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    Cool pics bronco, I was there too checking section 6 both days. We stayed in a cabin too. The cool thing was you could ride from the pits to your cabin. The elk were so tame they would eat out of your hand. Mine liked tortilla chips.

    I realize gas prices at $4/gal are a factor but if you put 4 guys in a truck it's now 1$/gal. I was always good at math.

    We are just trying to figure out why more CA, NM and CO riders did not show up. Lineaway may have it right. "hard to justify a trip back east".

    I think we needed one more round in the west to make it feasible for western riders.
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  6. lineaway

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    The NM guys were `busy` at Sipapu. Takes a lot of work for a national that is 2.5 hours away and requires a lot of physical work just too find the section. Unlike our desert locations that I could set in a day or two!
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  7. lineaway

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    Also the mentality of your average rider has changed. Three guys in a van has now become three family`s in three 30 footer`s with trailers. What was `simple` has now become quite a planned excursion for the group. Went from a couple hundred bucks for a fun trip for the guys, to a mini vacation costing thousands.
    Just check out the parking lot. Our local events look like an RV show!
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  8. Hair

    Hair Outside the boxer

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    We should give some credit to the guy who can take a trials thread and turn it into a political rant.

    Maybe some one should school him on JM. He would do well there.
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  9. Handy

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    Looks like he gave some valid reasons why more people don't show up to some trials events, which is what the OP asked for.
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  10. thegraydog

    thegraydog 2 wheels X 6 ways

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    Section 9 Saturday
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    As steep as it looks, probably 100' vertical
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    Arizona pro
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  11. thegraydog

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    We could see Section 12 Saturday, though not the big pro move.
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    Looking down at Sunday Section 10 from the loop trail
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    Sam not getting stuck in the hole this time
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    Nathan likewise
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    The way back down
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  12. thegraydog

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    A couple observations: We were coached for months about what a big deal this is, how the rules are different and checking must be exact. Then Stan steps up, over a nice buffet breakfast, and reminds us that people come a long ways to have fun, not to argue with hardball checkers, and to kinda keep it club-level, judgement calls favor the rider....

    I don't think I've seen much larger turnouts [at any trials] in my five years. Maybe the solution to the Nationals is to dial it back to where the effort [to produce one] is commensurate. Okay, maybe not buddy check.

    My bucket list has several classic trials, including the ones I've done: Cedar City, Sipapu, San Ysidro, Ute Cup! Still to come: Taos, Mosteller Cup, Columbia Cup, Bear Valley CA, Limestone Ridge with the Wyoming guys, maybe the Vancouver Island one where Christy Williams beats everybody up. But I don't guess I am motivated by the points series....

    I would like CAT to do some two-day events, to see if we could pull more outta-staters. Arizona has some wonderful riding.
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  13. laser17

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    Political rant? I dont see a rant. Not even close.
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  14. NMTrailboss

    NMTrailboss Team Dead End

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    The terrain in your photos of the National looks amazing! Love to ride that area sometime!!
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  15. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    So back to the original question, Why didn't you make it? Says you are in just down the 40, that would have been a straight shot down the interstate for you.
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  16. laser17

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    Nice pics Dog. Looks like a great place for a trials or just to camp.

    Its too bad the turnout wasn't better. We missed out for sure.
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  17. thegraydog

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    Which is not to say! After two days of checking a sport she does not practice, the loyal spouse said she'd cover me for a season of Nationals if/when I make 65....:evil
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  18. NMTrailboss

    NMTrailboss Team Dead End

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    Me personally, I participate in several kinds of motorcycle riding including dual sport, adventure riding, single track and street/touring so I have t divide up my limited time off between all the activities and bikes. I almost always take vacation on the last week of July and so this year I was on a dual sport trip through northern Colorado last weekend. I've never been much of a National competitor mainly due to the lack of time off but would love to give one a try sometime. It's too hard to compete in our local National due to shortage of volunteers and scorers so doubt I'll ever ride one here in NM. I'd consider trying the next one in AZ or CO if I can work it around my schedule though!
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  19. broncobowsher

    broncobowsher Long timer

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    Fair enough, thanks for answering.
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  20. BEEF706

    BEEF706 King of the dumb dab

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    I was out of state, and I stink, so no nationals for me for several years :norton
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