Arizonans: OHV process for a new bike for dummies?

Discussion in 'West – California, the desert southwest and whatev' started by WantToRideMoar, Jan 17, 2014.

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  1. 2 SPOT

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    tru dat,,, ma bad!!
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  2. Jeff aka BOLT

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    MVD is THE Gov agency for vehicle registration... not a non profit self help coop. They do in fact NEED to be the expert between our needs and the law. They do in fact NEED to SELL us the appropriate registration based on simple English. Providing accurate and proper registration for any vehicle is not a Law Enforcement Issue... IT IS THE MVD's JOB to provide this expertise !

    I don't wanna argue with you cause we are on the same side of this issue. I just don't agree with your notions on what should be expected from the MVD.
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  3. JMo (& piglet)

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    Jeff - I'm on your side here, as you say below:

    The bottom line is a Triumph Tiger XC800 is a 450lb motorcycle, clearly designed for primary ON ROAD use, with some off-highway capability... it is clearly not a 'dual sport' in the traditional sense (ie. a lightweight thumper, with minimal concessions to extended highway use) - it is obviously an 'Adventure Touring' motorcycle plain and simple, which by it's nature is going to see far more miles on paved highways than it ever will off-road.

    People can argue semantics all they want, but quite frankly anyone trying to register a Triumph Tiger (or BMW GS or even a KTM 990 Adventure) as an OHV and primarily 'off-highway use' vehicle is either deluded, or outright lying - just to save a few $$$s in registration.

    Go ahead an exploit the current loophole if you like, but as Jeff says - you are only going to f**k it up for others in the near future.

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  4. buls4evr

    buls4evr No Marks....

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    And also, IF YOU RIDE IN ANOTHER STATE under this type of plate you are not street legal. In most states INSURANCE COVERAGE is the issue on your bike. You might want to consider this before "going cheap".
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  5. cyberdos

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    you still need insurance even if you get a primarily off road registration.
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    buls4evr No Marks....

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    The "OHV" on the plate is the big killer in several states. That OHV plate is used like a OHV sticker in some states and does not require one to purchase insurance. In most Midwestern states this type of plate infers a bike with limited trail -to -trail allowed street use....but don't get caught riding it in town to the grocery store!
    In NM right now it is a big issue because your title is even tagged OHV ONLY and very much limits where you can go and kills potential re-sale value.Why take that chance to get a huge ticket? Just pay the man. You buy a $10K bike and quibble about a $250 1 time reg fee? I guess that is OK if you never plan to leave AZ but I suspect that will all change for you later to be OHV only.How much money are you saving if your bike title says OHV ONLY on it when you re-sell it? and how does that compare to just paying the street plate fees to begin with?
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    I agree with checking the right designation and paying the proper fee if you use the bike primarily on road like the OP. But I don't and occasionally do long trips with involve a lot of pavement. This is not an OHV tag. It's a sticker that you place on a regular street tag that allows you to use OHV designated areas.

    I don't see how I could get a ticket on the roads of another state if I have a street tag on my AZ registered and titled vehicle.
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  8. swimmer

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    The OP never said he intends to use the tiger primarily off road, just that he want to pay less that he is supposed to.

    Although the intent of the OP may have been misguided at least there was some useful info brought to attention.
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  9. seabee1

    seabee1 we build, we fight

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    Cyberdos, a wise man once said don't wrestle with pigs. They like the mud.

    Or something like that. :rofl
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    My bad, I meant on road, not off road. I'll go back and correct that. thanks.

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    I agree, seabee. Out.
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  11. buls4evr

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    OK ,I see what that plate is now. Not a separate type of plate like NM has that has OHV stamped on it. Just an additional sticker you put on a regular plate. No problem with street riding anywhere in that case then. So you end up with a standard street title and an OHV registration in addition.And your title just says "cycle"?
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    Your title is the same as if you register a goldwing or a gixxer. It's a regular street motorcycle title.

    You don't get an OHV registration. You get a regular motorcycle registration.

    What you get is an additional OHV sticker to put opposite side of your regular registration sticker.


    sifting quickly through my pics I'm not sure I have a clean pic of the whole plate but here's one with half of it.

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    on my off road 2 stroke designated for off road use only I have an RV plate with the OHV sticker.

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    didn't I say I was out? :lol3
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  13. verboten

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    Bump in light of recent discussions and flogging of dead horses.
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  14. TUCKERS

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    Arizona Revised Statute 28-1177 clearly prohibits a motorcycle manufactured for road use from even obtaining an OHV sticker. MVD have been issuing OHV sticker to these motorcycles erroneously. There are two other threads in the AZ section that go through this. Many have argued the case for an OHV sticker on a 'road bike' but by law it's not allowed. You don't need one. You can phone Fish and Game and ask them. You can ride your Tiger on regular street plates anywhere that OHV can go including Forest roads and OHV areas. Ask Fish and Game. Ask Parks and Trails. You can sign the affidavit and they will issue you an OHV sticker, but it's wrong 28-1177 precludes this.
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    You have been misinformed. Read Arizona Revised Statute 28-1177
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  16. TUCKERS

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    The brochure is misleading.
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  17. TUCKERS

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    verboten said this:
    verboten, Jan 1, 2017
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    One more nugget...
    I was training volunteers and LEOs from multiple agencies on this stuff a few years back when I worked for the state. During several of these trainings I pointed to KTM 990 and BMW R1200GS bikes and asked LEOs if they needed OHV decals to ride on USFS roads. 100% of respondents said yes, they are OHVs and require OHV decals per the 1800# language. This is incorrect per the law. Even when presented with the language of the law, most would default to "look at that bike, it's definitely designed for offroad use". When I would follow up with showing a picture of a Harley and Gullwing, they uniformly said "no OHV decal required". Lesson, LEOs don't necessarily understand the laws they enforce. Sometime you run into judges that need to be educated as well. Why does this lack of understanding exist? I believe it has to to with the relative unimportance of OHV enforcement in these professional's day to day jobs. Most are tasked with more important issues like game poaching, resource damage, drug enforcement, smuggling, and other priority crimes that are experienced in the back country. We are small fish in a big pond.
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    THEN flipped and said otherwise. Then insulted me, called me a lair, then re-opened this thread as other thread is LOCKED.
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  18. RT66AZ

    RT66AZ Been here awhile

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    You know Tuckers you have some nerve, you come on here ask for pictures of license plates and stickers, tell at least one person you are going to show the picture to various authorities and ask about the legality of it, you claim that you are just doing research for your business and then drop the bombshell that you have decided to go to the media with the issue. All of this and apparently you don't even live in the state. Please post a picture of all of your bikes and their license plates so if we encounter you somewhere we can go the other way to avoid you narcing on us to the authorities or the newspapers/media with some real or imagined infraction. I bet you can count your friends on the spark plugs of a DR650. I for one would like to know the name (s) of your business so I never even think about using it.
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  19. lamotovita

    lamotovita DAMN SNOWBIRD!

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    Could the mods just make one AZ Licensing mega thread? It would probably be bigger than the DR650 thread.
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  20. cyberdos

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    3 years later, same answer.
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