ask Woody about your Yamaha Supere Tenere XT1200Z wheels

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  1. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    [On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM, WaspWorks.com <greg@waspworks.com> wrote:
    Hi ya Woody.
    During our skype yesterday I mentioned the current thread on the forums about the fender extenders getting caught up on bash plates and was eluding to my concern for clearance from the 21” wheel to the bash plate on the S10.
    I have taken a couple of pics this evening that may go further to explain my worries.
    I will get a tire fitted to the wheel as soon as it turns up (over the next couple of days) and we can then see how close it will actually come to hitting.
    The bash-plate fitted to my bike is SW-Motech and just misses the bottom of the oil filter by about 2mm:wink:
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    fyi..gotta have your reference points...ie the actual od of the 19''tire that's on there that gives ya the 20mm clearance you claim is available..'cuz that will hav ebearing on the numbers i'm giving you now

    FYI we measured half dozen 21 tires for OD
    90/90x21 D908 dunlop,,,=27.25''=69.2cm
    80/90x21 knobbies circa 28.375''= 72.1cm
    most all 19 110/80x19s = circa 26''= 66cm

    regarding the bash-plate,,yep,,i agree it may be tight,,looking at the pic though i think ya can still modify it a bit to get a few more mm out of that area...a few hammer smacks in strategic places:>) LOL i've been known to kick in an oil filte ror two with no negative results...
    woody


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  2. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    Jesus Woody - I'll teach you how to post pics when we Skype next :huh

    Greg.
  3. Thagua

    Thagua Let's go adventuring...

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    Have my fenders with extenders incorporated when duplicating in fiberglass ... when raised 30 mm to accept the 21" wheel will not affect the bash plate which is a Krauser (SW Motech) modified for the OEM crashbars ...
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    Cheers,
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  4. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    i tried to learn the other day:wink:

    see what ya get when ya leave me to my own devices???:rofl:rofl:rofl
    :freaky woodster
  5. Thagua

    Thagua Let's go adventuring...

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    Hi Woody ... use Photobucket ..
    I am ready to start the conversion to independent front brake lines ... big task ... will have to remove the whole front to gain access to the manifold ... any idea Wasp how to do it ? ... thanks

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    Cheers,
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  6. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    roberto ..IMHO you are barking up the wrong tree...:cry:cry:cry:cry
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  7. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    I dont know yet Roberto.. One step at a time for me. I'll get the tire mounted first, then remove the guard and whack the wheel on and see what happens from there.

    Greg.
  8. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    Only problem is - It's "SUBSTANDARD" :cry:huh:eek1

    Look - Woody put the "Woody's Wheel Works" sticker on at 2.5 degree rotation..
    Not acceptable mate - Lift your game..........................................................:deal
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    NAH!!!!!

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    These are as fine (or finer) than any wheels I have seen. The precision fit and quality of the billet hub and spacer components is incredible.:clap

    Excellent job Woody - Gave me a Woody upon opening the package last night.:rofl

    Now, some porn for your viewing pleasure.

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    I believe this is the Super Sized Super Laced set up - Beautiful big sturdy ass spokes.
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    Finally - As if I could resist not sticking it in position to see how it looks...:lol3
    I could'nt get back far enough so the pic shows the 21" wheel bigger than reality.
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    I spoke with Steve "Wolfman" Smith from www.adventuremoto.com.au this morning and he will be sending me over a 90/90-21 Mefo Explorer to stick on there and see how it goes.

    I will report as things progress.

    Greg.
  9. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    I just noticed Francesco whatsisfaces bike has Ohlins TTX forks with offset front axle. Possibley around 1 1/2" forward.
    This obviously offers large gains in tire to bash plate clearance..
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    Greg.
  10. Wasp

    Wasp Supa10 pilot

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    Found some different pics of the bike above. This bastard is huge and really throws his bike around.
    I am only guessing, but the front wheel would have to be 21", and a very good chance that the rear is the standard hub re-laced to an 18" Excel. Certainly not the standard rim.

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    I recon this rear tire is 130ish x 18
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    This is actually valid research... I Googled "rubber + tight fit + may contact front skid plate".:rofl:clap

    Greg.
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  12. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    the bike /wheels/rims/hubs pictured are probably

    front,,,1.6x21 36h Excel laced conventionally to a single disc KTM hub sporting a 90/90 21 tire,,,the offset axle in this position will reduce trail for quicker handling ,,,the missing link of course is what offset do his triple clamps have..which in turn factors into the actual trail of the bike all keeping everrything standard ie oem forks,triple-clamps and just increasing the wheel diameter ,raising the bike and moving the centerlin eof your front end forward= more trail,steadier albeit a touch slower handling,,most folks like this in the dirt

    rear is a double sig excel for sure hard to say if it's a2.5x18 or 2.15x19 the tire looks skinnier ,,anyway ,,it laced to a stock hub sporting a wavy/floating 300mm rotor and 2 piston Brembo caliper

    unfortunately the photos aren't as crisp as Wasp-mans

    now regarding the '' substandard'' work below

    [''Only problem is - It's "SUBSTANDARD"

    Look - Woody put the "Woody's Wheel Works" sticker on at 2.5 degree rotation..
    Not acceptable mate - Lift your game............................................Greg'']
  13. Wasp

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  14. Wasp

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    So here's the deal. I thought I would have no problem leaving the newly acquired 21" wheel sitting up in the shed patiently waiting for me to get around to playing with it over the next few days....
    Wrong....

    I got up just after the crack of nine this morning :evil convincing myself that I need to find a 90/90-21 tire to stick this sucker on the bike and see how it fits up.

    It happen that a mate up the road (KTM Adv rider) had a one third to half worn Bridgestone 90/90-21 Trail Wing 41 tire, complete with appropriate tube. YeeeHawww. 30 minutes later the tire was spooned on and pumped up ready for install.

    First things first - I weighed Woody's complete 21" wheel assembly which with spacers + disc's + tire and tube and it come in at 11kg.
    I whipped the OEM wheel of the bike and zip tied the R/H spacer and ABS cover onto it, and weigh in at 14kg...
    BONUS........ 3kg of "un-sprung mass" lighter = Ya gotta be happy with that:clap
    You can bank on saving another 1kg+ with the single disc wheel set up.

    So - I fitted the new 21" wheel assembly up, and thought, hmm, that front mudguard looks like it might just fit back on.. Be good if it does because I can go for a ride and try the new wheel without the need to worry about brake lines catching the tire.....
    BONUS again...... The OEM guard clears with about 3>5mm gap.
    On goes the mudguard, brake lines securely clipped back in place, and front ABS sensor zip tied out of the way.

    This is how it all looks this afternoon.

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    A couple more dimensions:
    The original tire clearance to the (top bend line) bash plate is 81mm
    The clearance now with the 90/90-21 tire (half worn) is 66mm

    The 110/80-19 Karoo2(T) mounted and inflated is 665mm diameter.
    The 90/90-21 TrailWing (1/3rd to 1/2 worn) mounted and inflated is 696mm diameter.
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    Wheel change over completed it's time to roll the bike out to open ground and try and compress the forks to see how much tire to bash plate clearance we have.

    I had my son (6' x 100kg) roll the bike down the driveway, weight the front wheel, and slam the front brakes on to load the forks as much as possible, and we ended up using all but the last 32mm (1 1/4") of travel.
    This was good enough for me as the last bit of travel would place the tire on about the same (or reducing) trajectory and would not get any closer to the bash plate.
    That said, it is damn close now and would absolutely hit with a new tire.
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    Unfortunately the last pic is the one that I really wanted as clear as possible. As Murphy's Law would have it this turns out to be the shitty one.:puke1
    You get the message though and can see that there is only a whisker in it.
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    Next step is to remove the SW-Motech bash plate and just go with the OEM plastic component for a while. Use of this wheel may mean that I have to modify the SWM plate or possibly even look at manufacturing something myself.

    I will ride the bike around as is for a period while I re-visit the design of the high front guard and sus out exactly what I will do with the dual brake lines.

    If only we had the 18" rear rim here Woody....:wink:
    I would be able to stick a 130(ish)/18 tire on the back and see how this baby can really perform off-road...:eek1


    Hope you enjoyed the read and the pics - Keep watching coz there's a lot more to come.

    Greg.
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    On our way back to Chicago from Moab, some friends and I stopped by Woody's to pick up my 800GS wheels. It was after closing time and he stayed open for us. He very generously took us for a tour and told us some funny stories. If I repeated the stories I would be banned from this site. My friends all thanked me for leading them to Woody's. Paul
  16. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    later,,,:freaky
    we're on the roll:clap
    nuthin like team-work..and i love the international and galactic variety:wink:
    woody

    PS,,Zach just told me that we have 32h dimpled silver excels available un-drilled ,,,hence can drill em for the ST hub,,,they'll need to be stripped and re-anodized whatever color[adds $75 for satin $100 for polished/candy apple look/finish],,the only rims in black in that size are for some hondas ,,trouble is the hole angles/indexing are too wide for modification:cry
  17. Thagua

    Thagua Let's go adventuring...

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    Woody ... my measurement was from left to right banjos on both calipers as seen on picture ... didn`t include additional 25 mm on the final 850 mm which goes over the fender right on the back of the support ...

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    Cheers,
    Thagua
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    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    muchas gratias Roberto,,
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  19. Thagua

    Thagua Let's go adventuring...

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    Hi Woody .. this snapshots of my high fender support may help anyone wishing to do this mod ... it is made in fiberglass but now is going to be converted to a 12 mm aluminum support ... will post photos after the conversion

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  20. woody's wheel works

    woody's wheel works Built to Last

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    sneak preview: there ya have it,, just need truing and sensor plates installed...

    just weighed em:

    Front: 12.2lbs/ 5.2Kg
    Rear: 12.5lbs/ 5.7Kg

    Buildt to last:deal

    Custom 4gx.175 Monzter ss spoke and my new ss nipple kit


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