At It Again....Thinstrom 650

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by glitch_oz, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. Scotty J

    Scotty J Obedient Consumer

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    You gotta love a good fabrication story. It's like watching American Chopper, but without all the stupid. I just found this thread and read/glanced it in one sitting. Awesome. Thanks for sharing.
  2. Strog

    Strog Geek on two wheels

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    But the stupid is part of the fun. :evil



    Maybe we should sic TLC on glitch_oz to make a show that isn't about choppers. :clap
  3. glitch_oz

    glitch_oz Long timer

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    Wish prices were like that over here...A$30/ pair OMG!!:huh
    ~A$120/ pair would be the cheapest (and that's with trade-discount).

    Still not worth it sending them over, typical postage for small items like that is ~US$ 40plus....which brings the total to over $100local.
    And that is presuming, some US mob is willing to sent stuff o/s, many do not for some silly reason.

    Whatever....mirrors are temp items anyway :lol3...just grab whatever's around at the time.
  4. DAKEZ

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    :huh :scratch FRANKENSTROM? :dunno


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  5. overlandr

    overlandr Dystopist

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    Fantastic project Glitch V Well done as all the others have said! Re more space for a more compact exhaust pipe route, you may find the compact Li-ion batteries useful if you ever get around to it.


  6. glitch_oz

    glitch_oz Long timer

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    G'day :D

    While just about anything's possible...I doubt it'd be worth it to re-route/ modify the wiring to the CDI unit, finding another place for some battery, re-locating relays and other stuff....all in order to re-route the pipe.

    As is, the battery box finishes with the "back-wall" of the actual compartment (which has been replaced with S/S sheeting for heat-shielding).

    Another 4"....and the complete OEM battery/ CDI/relays etc etc have to be relocated somewhere else....and there's the next problem: where?

    The bike spent enough time in the garage....she'll be out there doing some miles from here on :clap
  7. tileman

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    Raising the GC isn't that hard or expensive really. The machinist (and motorcyclist) that I have been using can make extensions for inner tubes, possibly 3 or even 4 inches long. He makes them for cb 750 race bikes and they function well, made from stainless and about 300 aussie dollars from what he told me.

    Raising the rear is a case of shortering the dogbones, could be done in a shed.

    350 bucks isn't that much for a suspension raise I figure, I'll let you know how I go with my DL, the fronts got DR 650 inners which gave a couple of inches and the rear has about 3 I think, I'll know once someone can measure the distance to the ground of a standard un farkled DL from the top of the front grabrail mount on the subframe to the ground just at the top of the rubber grommet?

    Wish all threads were this involved re the job done, although I for one feel a little unworthy.....
  8. intheways

    intheways Been here awhile

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    Sweet friggin" bike! Suzuki should take note
  9. glitch_oz

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    The reason Suzuki can't have it :rofl
  10. tileman

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    Did you ever weight the standard tank? If so can you pm me. cheers
  11. glitch_oz

    glitch_oz Long timer

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    Hi buddy


    No, I didn't.
    And I'm sure, you're not really after an "I reckon"-figure, eh?

    FWIW...around 1.5-2kg without the fuel-pump/ filler-cap feels about right.

    As an aside...it's been a year since the bike was re-registered.
    It's now a bone-of-contention each time we leave of who gets which bike for the day...the built has proven its worth (at least so far).

    Still fiddling around with the suspension here and there, the front anchors are still a delightful affair, one-finger-stoppies are a breeze and there's heaps of feel on the loose stuff.

    She keeled off the side-stand and proved the design of the crashbars...the barweight and left crashbar lost 10cents worth of paint, that's all.

    The low weight is the key attraction, she still feels like a 250 in the slow stuff. The plastic bellypan has quite a few scars by now, wouldn't swap it for an alloy one though! The bike gets regularly hoisted on this thing for servicing.

    The Heidenau K60's are a hoot on the dirt and looks like they'll be good for ~8000km on the front, 6000km on the rear. And yes, they do get USED!

    Not a single bolt or welding seam on the body panels has come adrift....no cracked paint, bent or lost items, rusted or paint-blistering bits. THe only thing that got busted was the tiny lower front guard mounted to the fork-brace...the front hoop flicked up a decent stick which smashed the thing to pieces.

    Got a WR front guard, chopped the rear-section off it and re-shaped the thing as a replacement....so the lower front guard is now black Polypropylene instead of kwaka-green ABS. Pffftt.

    The only crappy bit that transpired after 12 months?
    Having to fight the better half for each ride!!!

    I've gotta built another one....PRONTO!!
  12. PeterW

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    I glued a strip of rubber sheet on the bottom of my Hyde bash plate - just to cut the wear from gravel/rocks. Doesn't add much weight , easy to do.

    I'm pretty sure it'll outlast the rest of the bike now.

    Pete
  13. glitch_oz

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    Good move...and the weekend starts in a few hours.
    Tks mate :freaky
  14. PhiSig1071

    PhiSig1071 What's ******width?

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    That bike is amazing! Beautiful work! I'm speechless!
  15. glitch_oz

    glitch_oz Long timer

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    Gracias:D

    And believe me...looking at it is one thing.
    It actually delivers what it promises.:clap :clap
  16. squirley

    squirley punk in drublic

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    I love that bike, great job! :bow
  17. DaBit

    DaBit Been here awhile

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    OK, this build already costed me quite a few hours of sleep.

    Let's admit it: I do have a motorcycle crisis at this moment. Had an R1100GS. Nice bike, very capable as a traveller, but way too heavy offroad. I also had a KLX650R. Nice bike for offroad, but uncapable of travelling over a long distance to a nice spot and do some nice trips from there.

    Then, I sold both bikes and got me a KTM 640 Adventure. Extremely nice bike. Large gas tank, low center of gravity, small windscreen, good suspension, etc. It has everything other people add to their bikes. But after some minor problems with the engine I don't thrust the LC4-640 engine anymore. And besides that it vibrates a lot. Not a problem when you are blasting up a mountain. But while droning down the highway towards that mountain your hands go numb. And while standing up offroad and clamping the bike firmly between the knees my vision blurs.

    Now what?
    - Pull the engine from the Adventure, give it a thorough inspection, replace a bearing here and a seal there, and call it 'reliable for the next 15.000km'. Hmm... And it won't fix the vibes.
    - Another engine in the LC4 Adventure chassis? The LC4 chassis is not easily modified to accept another engine, especially not a twin.
    - Get me an LC8? That's also a heavy bike, even the 2003 models are still quite expensive, and it uses a lot of fuel.
    - Get me an F800GS? I admit: this might be the best starting point for the bike I want. But I cannot afford one of those.
    - Get another single-cylinder bike and mod the hell out of it? Hmm, if I'm modding the hell out of something, I'd rather start with a twin. I still consider a twin the best compromise between road and offroad manners.

    Can't decide. What I really want is a fairly fuel efficient 2-cylinder bike which weights less than 200kgs including fuel, tools, skidplate, GPS, etc. with more-than-decent suspension and 21" front. It's true; 95% of the bikes' offroad capabilities is determined by the nut that connects the footpegs to the handlebar. But good suspension and suitable tyres help us mere mortals a lot.

    And then, you see this 'Thinstrom' bike thread on AdvRider. Extremely nice build. A job well done. Reading the thread was a far better way to spend the evening than watching television. I even preferred to continue reading instead of having some fun with the girlfriend in the master bedroom. And the best part of the entire story:

    WOW!!!!!!
    Ready for Morocco (everything except the luggage) my KTM LC4 640 Adventure weighted 184kg with full fuel tank....

    So now I am really considering a 'Thinstrom' project, but less well-done than yours (I'm going to scratch it anyway, and to be honest I don't care if my bike is purple with pink stripes as long as the smiles per mile factor is OK) and more offroad oriented.

    Questions:
    - Is it possible to increase suspension travel on the rear to, say, 250mm/10" or so by using another shock/dogbones? Or would the chain eat right through the swingarm when one tries to increase travel that much?
    - Anyone did a 'simple' 2-in-1 exhaust without all the Suzuki balance-pipe magic in it? Just pipes from each cylinder, connect them into a larger pipe, route that to a light silencer (I have a KTM EXC exhaust which I could use), done? Will it work?
    - Any reason why a KTM LC4 18" cush rear with possibly other bearings/bushings/whatever won't work in the DL650?
    - It seems the radiator is in the way when going to a 21" front with, again, somewhere around 250mm of suspension travel. Is this true? Are there some nice spots to put 2 smaller radiators?
    - Looking at your pictures, it should be possible to fit an underseat fuel tank. That would come in handy offroad to avoid the bulk up high. Is this true?
    - What are the main differences between the SV650 frame and DL650 frame? Does it still make sense to start with a more expensive DL650 when doing all these modifications?

    OK, I'm going to sleep and dream well...
  18. tileman

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    Some ideas

  19. markbvt

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    Tileman beat me to it -- definitely check out the SV650 motard/adventure thread. I'm not too interested in what he ultimately ended up with (aside from the quality of work, which is fantastic), but the intermediate stage that was more dirt-oriented was cool as hell.

    --mark
  20. tileman

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    I considered the carbon tank idea from a weight perspective but in the end the amount of work is beyond me and considering the issues that were created with the fuel problem, its really a no go. The fact that the sv tank done by tygaboy from baysideriders only runs race fuel makes me worry that ethanol in current fuels will ultimately win this battle, I haven't got experience with it I will say but I haven't found anything definite so...... :dunno