ATGATT takes the fun out of riding?

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by whitetiger7654, Jan 1, 2009.

  1. DAKEZ

    DAKEZ Long timer

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    Believe it noob.

    Any time the temp is mid 90's or above it is actually cooler to have on all the gear. Your body can not cool itself adequately if you sweet evaporates too quickly.

    On a ride from Missoula MT to Portland last July it was 105 deg. In the shade. I was ATGATT and very glad I was. I soaked my long sleeve silk shirt in Spokane, then Ritzville, then Tri-Cities and again in Arlington along the Columbia. With the Bellstaff Adventure coat over the wet silk shirt it would give me about 60-70 miles of air conditioned comfort.

    It is cooler to ride with ATGATT even on a hot day. You just need to be smart and have the right gear.
  2. nvdlboy

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    +1 on ATGATT in the heat, I was more comfortable in Death Valley at 50*C wearing my gear. The jacket kept my shirt from drying too quickly and the gloves kept my hands from feeling like I was sticking them in a convection oven! Plus at that temp, you're going to be hot and sweaty with or without gear, so what's the big deal - I ride a Strom, so obviously I don't really care about appearances... :1drink
  3. 3power

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    yes master :D
  4. markk53

    markk53 jack of all trades...

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    Personally I have a multitude of circumstances I use to decide what to do.

    When I ride, I decide what I am willing to risk. Always a helmet since head injuries don't heal like a skinned up arm or leg.

    I figure how I plan to ride and where.

    If I am riding to school (work) I may do the minimal for the weather. I go 7 miles, three stop signs, two lefts, and two rights, on a relatively rural road with medium traffic and actually NO curves (part of what I hate about the flat lands here). I am not thrashing and am very aware of my surroundings. I will risk no coat, boots, etc. but always a helmet and usually gloves.

    When we're doing the "supermoto" or back roads thing, I'll wear boots (MX or one of my over ankle bike boots), gloves, coat (now more often with elbow pads and shoulder cups for a reason to be noted later), and obviously helmet and goggles.

    If it's more of an open road longer ride I may or may not wear the coat and such. That would be like on the 79 mile ride to Mid Ohio for the races. We aren't really thrashing, the towns we go through are small, the road doesn't have heavy traffic except in Lexington and at the track. So I justify a bit more risk on gear.

    I will say I always wear the helmet, no matter what. I like a lot of air flow on hot days so I even wear the MX helmet on my street bike. I wish there was a way to see how effective the venting of helmets can be. I had an AGV Stinger with like ten vents - no flow. I don't see why they can't get real vents that can flow at least half of what you'd have with those bicycle helmets. I wish I had the where-with-all to make something like that.

    When it comes to the coat, I have a black 3 season Heine Gericke Boost that I wear when it's under say 65°, almost never take the liner out. My favorite is an old First Gear Timbuktu 3/4 jacket (sort of an Eisenhower for you older guys out there) I got back around 1992. It has a Thinsulate liner with 3/4 sleeves, full width cape (back) vent double zippered so I open them to the center, nearly 12" long sleeve vents that I only open about 1/2 way (and also make the arm pads move around making me wonder just how effective they are), and a zip/snap front that I may only snap on hot days.

    The really good part is the Timbuktu coat is mainly red and white - cool colors that don't absorb the sun's radiated heat. Unfortunately the white shows dirt really bad especially at the neck, later versions had black collars. The other good part about the coat is that the padding holds it away from your skin a bit and allows fantastic air flow. I don't bother to remove the liner in it very often either. The air flows so well that at any speed over about 25 mph it is cooler to wear the coat than not on a sunny day. So I've taken to wearing it a lot more than I used to, because it IS cooler to wear it than not.

    So it isn't that I wear all the gear all or most of the time from a safety standpoint. I chose how much risk and also comfort when I decide what to wear. I am chosing to wear the coat more often because of comfort too. If we get on a long open drone where I don't want to wear a coat, I can always take it off and bungee it on the rack or seat anyway.

    There's my take on it... for what it is worth.

    By the way occasionally a search on First Gear Timbuktu will bring up either a NOS coat or a decent used one. I recommend them highly with dense foam forearm pads and hard shoulder cups, even has a 20 oz. fluids bladder that can be used and a storage pouch in the back (like a hunting jacket) to store the liner if one removes it on a ride. Probably could fit a chest protector under the coat with the coat armor removed, that would really promote air flow. I think the last one I saw on line was like $89. Well worth it.
  5. tomatoe333

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    The more I do it, the faster I can do it.

    Even riding for 6 years, I'm still significantly faster to gear up than I was last year.

    Riding a bike with carbs, the time it takes the bike to warm up is about the same as it takes for me to gear up and strap down the luggage.
  6. AKStrom

    AKStrom Just call me 'Magellan'

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    :rolleyes

    Without the Roadcrafter, I'd have added a broken clavicle, some right-side ribs, and some serious shoulder damage. Probably would've done a real mother of a number on my knee too if I hadn't been wearing my race-grade leather sport pants.

    As it is, I was riding again in 8 weeks.

    [​IMG]
  7. DAKEZ

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    :lol3
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    Personally, even the thought of not riding with ALL my gear on takes the fun out of it, actually it just about makes me break out into a cold sweat thinking of how unprotected I am. Conversley, whether burning up the back roads on the Duck or riding dirt with all the gear and pads on, ATGATT gives me the confidence to go out and and enjoy the ride balls out. :evil
  9. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Sir Loin of Biff

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    Wrong on two fronts. I have a DSLR, and I can get it out of the panniers and ready for shooting in about 10 seconds.

    But I also have a tiny point-and-shoot, too.
  10. 3power

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    Which model are you using? You are able to shoot it properly with gloves on? I'll be looking for a DSLR this spring. Thanks.
  11. Moving Pictures

    Moving Pictures Sir Loin of Biff

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    I've got a D20, and I've got considerable experience shooting. The key? A modular helmet -makes composition much easier.
  12. Horton

    Horton Been here awhile

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    "...I love to ride my bike many for many reasons. But sometimes it seems like
    ATGATT takes the fun and desire out of it. I may be thinking great weather
    today, but when I think about getting all geared up I'm just like forget it. It's
    more like work. Do you guys ever get like this?..." ??????????


    No, cause in any way I have to put on boots, trousers, ect... It makes no
    diffrent to me, if I'm put on my BlueJeans or my leather trousers, my normal
    shoes or my bike boots, ...
  13. klrukiddingme?

    klrukiddingme? Been here awhile

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  14. duck

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    You do realize that even with a helmet and ATG, your chances or injury or death or much higher than a cager, right? So, if you're not a hypocrite you would also support raising health insurance rates for helmeted MC riders too, right? Perhpas not as much as for non-helmeted riders.

    And helmet laws are a joke anyhow. I have a DOT aproved half helmet. I am under no illusion that it provides anywhere close to the protection that one of my FF helmets does - but it's still perfectly legal. It's better than nothing I suppose but I only wear it to be legal, not for safety.
  15. tedder

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    How is that a valid argument against helmet laws?

    Whether a state or country has a helmet law, I choose to wear a full-face. Even when it's hot. It's safer than NOT wearing a helmet. It might be more dangerous than being in a cage, but that's irrelevant to the discussion of being ATGATT.
  16. C Squared

    C Squared Now with TURBO!

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    Not really...
    The ins. folks know what they need for $$$$.
    I assume and I have no stats that our ins. is less because they calc. that we don't spend much time on our bikes. Some of us ride a lot and some park a lot. Another consideration is that of what you can cause damage wise in a car or on a bike... An out of control car can cause much more damage to other stuff!

    I was not making a "every thing in life" risk statement.
    I was putting forth a possible senario for allowing no helmet vs. helmet choice as a state law. Ideas mostly fact somewhat.

    No different than saying no seat belt = no ins. coverage or you could pay for the right to NOT wear a seat belt.

    Seat belts are probably a joke also?????
  17. smokinjoe

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    In the summer, I'm guilty of not wearing everything I should, but that's my decision. Kinda the same as if some folks drive their cages with bad tires. Yeah, stuff can happen and you know it, but you're willing to take the risk....:dunno However, depending on which bike I'm riding, and where/what I'm going to be doing, most of the time I'll put gear on. All in all, no, I don't think it takes the fun outta riding.
  18. markk53

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    Helmet laws a joke? I look at it a little different - riders without helmets are the joke. :rofl

    Take a dive, smack your head, laugh your ass off, and tell me how nice the breeze is in your hair... if you can still process speech properly. :huh <"duh"

    I don't like helmet laws, mainly because of problems if someone should steal my helmet I risk citation if I have to ride without it, which happened to a few friends back when Ohio had a comprehensive law. As far as I am actually concerned, I don't really care if riders don't wear helmets. That's their risk to take. As for belittling anything to do with helmets and use or to bring up lame justification against them, that's a real joke, just not a funny one. As you, yourself, pointed out the half is better than nothing as most bicyclists will tell you. The only joke on helmets are those illegal skid lids with DOT stickers on them.
  19. 3power

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    Laws requiring helmets do, indeed, limit your freedom as an American. I think it should be someone's choice to wear or not wear one. I think it is certainly the correct choice to wear one, and I won't ride without mine, but that's my opinion.

    As far as bicycle helmets - I feel the same way. All my life I've ridden bicycles without a helmet and won't ever wear one.
  20. DAKEZ

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    ROAD RASH TAKES THE FUN OUT OF RIDING. :D