Attempted murder charges filed...

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by firebug24k, May 20, 2013.

  1. cliffy109

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    In CA, it depends entirely on the sherrif in the county in which one lives. In most areas, it is next to impossible. In more rural counties, it isn't hard at all, although it often requires demonstrating range proficiency with each gun you want to list on your permit.

    Legality of concealed carry aside, there is a real problem with pulling a gun in traffic. You are only allowed to pull a gun if a jury of your peers would agree that you had a reasonable fear of mortal danger. Some states also require that you make an effort to retreat and I don't know if CA is one of those states or not.

    Even without the "duty to retreat", there is a tactical problem in that when you stop to pull your gun, the threat has likely continued driving on. You can not pursue that threat and still be viewed as a victim. Shooting while moving has other legal implications since you are responsible for the destination of each one of your shots. Whether on a bike or in a car, you have better tactical and legal options than firing to or from a moving vehicle.
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  2. jackflash

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    I agree for the most part. I, for one, am normally against law suits and think they should only be used as a last resort.

    On the other hand, who is supposed to pay for all the medical bills the two riders will receive once the insurance runs out? Not only that, but who is to pay for all the wages lost do to the mishap? And the trauma inflicted on the riders?

    Leave all the mental anguish/trauma out of it. Just look at it on a monetary basis.

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    Medical Bills for two people (This could be by far the biggest cost.)
    Lost Wages for two people (Maybe even a Job, depending on the employer.)

    That's just the three things off the top of my head that I can think of and I am sure there is more than that. I bet insurance would cover, maybe a third of that, maybe a little more.

    Are you saying the riders, in this case, should be responsible and have to pay these debts.

    I understand they may of had their part in the "exchange of words", but they did not use deadly force and then flee the seen.
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  3. eatpasta

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    We are not creating anything for this assclown, he has created his own downward spiral that he has been perpetrating for years. This most recent incident we are only aware of because he happened to get caught. How many times has he pulled crap like this and NOT gotten caught? In my experience with people like this, they are masters at getting away with all kinds of underhanded crap by the time they get to 4h grade.
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  4. Martin_404

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    I agree that the prick should pay all costs involved.
    (not what my post was about, but I do not think you meant thast either)

    I am always amazed at the height of US law suits, but after reading this and knowing a little bit about US income/medical insurance issues, I'm starting to understand.

    In my country basic healthcare insurance is mandetory and it covers all regular medical bills indefinetlly. (not aroma threatment etc. but all the normal stuff)
    Also your emplorer and the goverment keep paying your regular (former) wages for up to 2 years, after which you go into regular social welfare. (enough to live)

    As a result of this, here, that guy would barely have to pay for any of the actual damage he caused and all of it will fall on taxpayers.
    Income- and other taxes are a lot higher here and healthinsurance cost are expected to get out of hand soon. (more and more old people etc.)


    Here jurges could also be a bit more generous about awarding mental anguish/trauma claims (here $10.000 for that would already be very high) but from what I hear US claims can get a bit extreme to the other side of the scale.
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  5. Y E T I

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    The rider and his passenger were not too badly injured in the crash. They were both at the dealership yesterday, hopefully discussing their replacement bike. :thumb
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  6. eatpasta

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  7. Andyvh1959

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    If this road vermin gets off easy, and I wouldn't doubt that he does, at the very least the courts should apply some method of a federal, all states life-time license ban, period. No fail, no arguement.

    If he is mentally unstable as reported, and gets off because of it he simply should not qualify for a license for anything but a bicycle. Not everyone is entitled to a license just beacuse they are of age. Oh, and for this POS, no guns, ever, in any form. Without a car his next weapon of choice would be a gun.
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  8. ttpete

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    Thr gun thing is moot, really. Convicted felons can't own firearms.
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  9. Onederer

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    Convicted felons can't LEGALLY own firearms.

    Felons certainly own firearms just as people with multiple DWI's and fatalities on their driving record continue to drive, even without a license.

    Our society has been indoctrinated to not change unless change is forced upon them. There is no reward for simply being a good person and considering others; only punishment for not obeying the law.

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  10. ttpete

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    We all know that. I don't think very many here just fell off the turnip truck. :lol3
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    Every year we have a raffle where we drain the oil and coolant out of a car And then rev it to about 4500 until it seizes or blows up. Last year was a neon that lasted over 9 minutes!
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  12. Foot dragger

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    Of COURSE a running gun battle in traffic could have fixed everything,like always. Were all Dirty Harry and all bullets go just where we want.
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    I assume you meant to quote the guy I was quoting. :huh
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  15. dwoodward

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    ASSuming the rider can't draw a handgun ASSUmes two things:
    1) The rider is right handed (fairly safe bet);
    2) That a K16GT doesn't have cruise control.

    As for a BMW rider being responsible because he can afford a BMW... he got taken out by an arguably more expensive BMW car.
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  16. eatpasta

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    Im waiting for the GS to have factory surface to surface missiles with a HUD. THEN ill buy one new.
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  18. Rinty

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    Well this incident is another reminder that, in traffic, if the guy next to you has mental health issues, or anger management problems, and you inadvertently get into his driving / riding space, as he perceives it, the result can be catastrophic.

    And the risk is higher in areas where maneuvering space is limited.

    I've had run ins with nut bars, as I'm sure many of us have, and I have been very lucky not to get hurt.
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  19. shaddix

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    I thought most motorcycles could take any car in a corner that doesn't have downforce helping it out. Most passenger cars are not designed to have extra downforce for more cornering ability.....
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  20. chasssmash

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    Personally I feel that the woman sitting beside the lunatic should be charged with obstruction of justice given that she is obviously covering for the insane douchebag. At the very least child services should take a very close look at this poor excuse for a mother.
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